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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#61 - 2014-11-12 22:44:31 UTC
Hm. The odd thing is that only two of the coordinates have +/- associated. If these were grid coordinates, I'd assume all three would have those. Alternatively, if they were radial coordinates from a given location, then two of the three would presumably be in a measure of angle. To my understanding, the numbers provided don't really correspond with that, either.

So-- I'm at a loss.

A quick question, though, on a lark. So-- those ships that were destroyed with trinary data in the hold. What sort of system was that? Just an association exercise. Researching now.

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Rhavas
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#62 - 2014-11-12 23:28:54 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Hm. The odd thing is that only two of the coordinates have +/- associated. If these were grid coordinates, I'd assume all three would have those. Alternatively, if they were radial coordinates from a given location, then two of the three would presumably be in a measure of angle. To my understanding, the numbers provided don't really correspond with that, either.

So-- I'm at a loss.

A quick question, though, on a lark. So-- those ships that were destroyed with trinary data in the hold. What sort of system was that? Just an association exercise. Researching now.


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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#63 - 2014-11-12 23:38:30 UTC
Quote:

I beli(eve my cap)tors to be (----- - - - --)s, fear(ful of the e)vent (now t)ranspiring, and (are in a st)ate of (pa)nic.

So it was most likely a machine trying to talk to us, afterall.

It might be obvious by now, but why don't we go ahead and assume that "(----- - - - --)s" are sleepers? Yeah, plural ending is not enough, but here are some theories.

We know that Sisters released a research about the increase in Sleeper activity and a number of key changes in the behavioral profiles. And here Mr. Tukoss says that "they" are in a state of panic. Then we have a Wormhole Summit, an event "now transpiring".

Then, we know that sleepers are most likely aware of the stuff happening in our cluster thanks to Ms. Priano and her associates. This again connects to this mysterious "event".

I say, CONCORD and other officials at this Summit may have more info, but they will not share, so we have to do everything ourselves. Did anyone come up with "to do list"?

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#64 - 2014-11-12 23:38:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
So-- not associated. Hm.

And I'm assuming noone else is turning anything up regarding the transponder hashes starting in 5##? Because failing that, I'm out of ideas.

(edit) Unfortunately, at present we have no information on who these captors are. They could be Sleepers, Rogue Drones, the Empires, pirates, Sisters of EVE, Jove AIs. Really, anything that we could say in the plural. Further, I'm not sure I've ever been aware of an emotional response by Sleepers...?

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Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#65 - 2014-11-12 23:40:34 UTC
So many questions.

" believe my captors to be ----- - - - -- s, fearful that certain events are transpiring, and entering a state of panic."

What events?

"I e(i)mplore you all to continue to further the Arek'Jalaan Project and to continue to work toward a solution."

Solution to what? What research should we be doing to help?

"DO NOT cooperate with them at all costs!"

Too bad the Jove parts were deposited in that can. I wonder what disaster we will have to deal with.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#66 - 2014-11-12 23:56:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Makoto Priano wrote:

(edit) Unfortunately, at present we have no information on who these captors are. They could be Sleepers, Rogue Drones, the Empires, pirates, Sisters of EVE, Jove AIs. Really, anything that we could say in the plural. Further, I'm not sure I've ever been aware of an emotional response by Sleepers...?

Yes, this "s" gives us absolutely no info, unfortunately. Hm, about that emotional response... You see, I kind of like reading books about linguistics and semantics to try and read people better. Just a sec, I'll look through his old transmissions...

Ah, here:

Quote:
syntax error, search="marriage"-synonym... result="matrimony"

And there

Quote:
syntax error, search="healthy"-synonym... result="well"

And again

Quote:
>>syntax error, search="heated"-synonym... result="warm"

Who could possibly look for synonyms and leave traces of that? Yeah, my translation tool, huh. I still think that it was a machine, probably the first time sleepers tried to condescend to our level and talk to us so we could give them some valuables. On the other hand I could be entirely wrong and this could be a completely diffferent force.

Do we have any info on why did those sleeper caches start to appear out of nothing?

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Cap'n Schmitty
#67 - 2014-11-13 00:41:02 UTC
I did some digging in the CONCORD database, and it looks like 50008995-50006664 represents a pair of stargates - Orduin-Elgoi to be exact.

It looks like the transponder ID from Dr. Tukoss' transmission has to do with the Orduin side of that connection, considering it's Orduin's identifier followed by the Orduin-to-Elgoi gate identifier followed by the Elgoi-Orduin gate identifier. The implications of that are currently beyond me... but I'll keep sifting through CONCORD's info to see if I can find anything else of note.

@CaptainCrutches
Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
#68 - 2014-11-13 01:18:17 UTC
Myself and Valerie Valate decided to dig into this as well. Which is what let me to stay in Orduin-Elgoi-Eram all day on patrol... Not a lot of headway was made, unfortunately, except in that i got a lot of scanning practice!

;)

FYI

There is a wh in orduin right now leading to a C1: J105936 (red giant)
Inside are four sigs:
ODJ-920 WH K162 >orduin
KOL-456 WH J244 >lowsec
BVJ-752 Relic !!
FNV-701 WH o883 >C3 >J161051 ( plz note, this wh was <4hrs life left )

C3: J161051 (cataclysmic variable)
containing no less than 6 sigs

I decided to go no further down the rabbit hole solo. But for anyone who wishes to lose themselves following where it will...

Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#69 - 2014-11-13 02:24:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Jaret Victorian wrote:

Who could possibly look for synonyms and leave traces of that? Yeah, my translation tool, huh. I still think that it was a machine, probably the first time sleepers tried to condescend to our level and talk to us so we could give them some valuables. On the other hand I could be entirely wrong and this could be a completely diffferent force.

Do we have any info on why did those sleeper caches start to appear out of nothing?


The issue with misdirection is that absent concrete proof or even circumstantial proof of identity, we must suspect all evidence. While there's clearly an expert system involved in the previous two postings, this could have been necessitated by the system that bypassed CRC security protocols; any party that could employ such a system remains suspect.

That said, as for the caches, we likely won't ever have a concrete answer as to the why. The purpose, though, is clearly acquisition and research of our technology. Considering PRIAN's second encounter was with a facility that had a large number of rare but conventional blueprint copies, while the first included a previously unheard-of advanced technology variant, it would be fair to say that the Sleepers are experimenting with our technology to some degree. Perhaps they're programmed to research and adapt technologies they come into contact with? Or perhaps research and learn from threats they encounter? Or perhaps they are in fact sentient? I really can't say.

Also, thank you, Schmitty, for identifying those! I'll do a little more digging now.

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Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#70 - 2014-11-13 02:31:05 UTC
Cap'n Schmitty wrote:
I did some digging in the CONCORD database, and it looks like 50008995-50006664 represents a pair of stargates - Orduin-Elgoi to be exact.

It looks like the transponder ID from Dr. Tukoss' transmission has to do with the Orduin side of that connection, considering it's Orduin's identifier followed by the Orduin-to-Elgoi gate identifier followed by the Elgoi-Orduin gate identifier. The implications of that are currently beyond me... but I'll keep sifting through CONCORD's info to see if I can find anything else of note.

Maybe those two systems should be searched for wormholes. Maybe the signal went through a WH in one of those systems, then through the two gates.
Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
#71 - 2014-11-13 04:46:31 UTC
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
Cap'n Schmitty wrote:
I did some digging in the CONCORD database, and it looks like 50008995-50006664 represents a pair of stargates - Orduin-Elgoi to be exact.

It looks like the transponder ID from Dr. Tukoss' transmission has to do with the Orduin side of that connection, considering it's Orduin's identifier followed by the Orduin-to-Elgoi gate identifier followed by the Elgoi-Orduin gate identifier. The implications of that are currently beyond me... but I'll keep sifting through CONCORD's info to see if I can find anything else of note.

Maybe those two systems should be searched for wormholes. Maybe the signal went through a WH in one of those systems, then through the two gates.


Unless its been rolled, the WH in Orduin I reported @0118hrs ( post #68 above ) should have some life on it still.

The WH that i found to a C3 beyond that was on a short fuse. It's likely gone by now.

Luck!

Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
#72 - 2014-11-13 07:12:36 UTC
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
Cap'n Schmitty wrote:
I did some digging in the CONCORD database, and it looks like 50008995-50006664 represents a pair of stargates - Orduin-Elgoi to be exact.

It looks like the transponder ID from Dr. Tukoss' transmission has to do with the Orduin side of that connection, considering it's Orduin's identifier followed by the Orduin-to-Elgoi gate identifier followed by the Elgoi-Orduin gate identifier. The implications of that are currently beyond me... but I'll keep sifting through CONCORD's info to see if I can find anything else of note.

Maybe those two systems should be searched for wormholes. Maybe the signal went through a WH in one of those systems, then through the two gates.


As you very certainly know, ordinary wormholes are very temporary. It's most likely gone by now, and the extensive survey of the systems make that very likely.

Regarding Dr. Tukoss' message:

Please all keep in mind that nothing tells us for sure that "this" Tukoss is "the real one". Being the first one to accuse the other of being a fake is not enough. Although this last communication validates my previous theories, and seems to approve of the current restructuring of Arek'Jalaan, it would be hypocritical of me to consider it genuine just because it favors my own agenda.

Of course, I cannot express strongly enough how important it is that no further materials are delivered to Antiquus.

Regarding his possible captors:

Although we certainly have stirred them a bit from their slumber, I doubt the Sleepers are at work here, for various reasons. (A bit too long for this place.)

My money is on Sansha's Nation.
We know that they have multiple fleet staging systems from which they launch the Incursions on our space, none of which was ever found. Except for the data of the probe that went through, we have no idea what these systems may be.
We also know they gained over the past few years some extensive knowledge in wormhole manipulation. They could very well be occupying unreachable space.

I do not have such data at hand, but if someone could check the relay token expiry date for significant events, say, Sansha Incursions, I would be interested to see the results.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#73 - 2014-11-13 07:13:26 UTC
Those numbers certainly do look odd. They don't seem, at first sight at least, correspond to any positional coordinates.

Well, now I know what will be my past time of the day... unless someone gets to this before I do.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#74 - 2014-11-13 13:31:24 UTC
Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:

My money is on Sansha's Nation.
We know that they have multiple fleet staging systems from which they launch the Incursions on our space, none of which was ever found. Except for the data of the probe that went through, we have no idea what these systems may be.
We also know they gained over the past few years some extensive knowledge in wormhole manipulation. They could very well be occupying unreachable space.

I do not have such data at hand, but if someone could check the relay token expiry date for significant events, say, Sansha Incursions, I would be interested to see the results.



May I ask your reason to think that? Why would they capture Hilen? What purpose do they serve him?

(.___________________________________________.)/
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#75 - 2014-11-13 13:49:27 UTC
A brief interjection, if I may:

I do not suspect it is the Sleepers or Sansha's Nation, the circumstances don't line up correctly for either entity.

As we are still in the realm of speculation, I will simply put forth three questions:

Who or what has the most to lose if the goals of Dr. Hilen Tukoss (and Arek'Jalaan) are realized?

Who or what would need to keep their active involvement to disrupt those goals hidden from the public view, namely the view of capsuleers?

Who or what has the resources and means necessary to do so?

If those three questions are answered in order, the list of likely suspects should decrease dramatically and allow the investigation to pass from the realm of broad speculation into the realm of reasonable suspicion.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#76 - 2014-11-13 14:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Avio Yaken wrote:

May I ask your reason to think that? Why would they capture Hilen? What purpose do they serve him?

I'm not Gehen, but Nation seems plausible. Didn't AJ have problems with them in the past?

Liam Antolliere wrote:
A brief interjection, if I may:

I do not suspect it is the Sleepers or Sansha's Nation, the circumstances don't line up correctly for either entity.

As we are still in the realm of speculation, I will simply put forth three questions:

Who or what has the most to lose if the goals of Dr. Hilen Tukoss (and Arek'Jalaan) are realized?

Who or what would need to keep their active involvement to disrupt those goals hidden from the public view, namely the view of capsuleers?

Who or what has the resources and means necessary to do so?

If those three questions are answered in order, the list of likely suspects should decrease dramatically and allow the investigation to pass from the realm of broad speculation into the realm of reasonable suspicion.

Who else it may be? Sleepers and presumably Sansha live in wormhole space and use wormholes. AJ researches wormholes. IF what this Tukoss tells us is true, he might've uncovered something important.

And if this Tukoss is genuine, we should prepare for an extraction mission.

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Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#77 - 2014-11-13 14:13:54 UTC
Mr. Antolliere, I see where you're going and strongly advise against such accusations.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#78 - 2014-11-13 14:37:03 UTC
This may just be me jumping to conclusions, but does anyone else think that we might be seeing more of Awakened Infomorph soon?

maybe she got lonely and the body parts that were requested are so she can make a friend.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#79 - 2014-11-13 15:17:25 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
Mr. Antolliere, I see where you're going and strongly advise against such accusations.


Monsieur Vartesa,

I've made no accusations of any kind. All I have done is offered a line of critical thinking that may assist in the investigation into the identity of Dr. Tukoss' captors and subsequently, hopefully, a plan of action going forward for the persons involved in this project.

Anyone, including yourself, may completely disregard anything I've said if that is their choice.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#80 - 2014-11-13 17:24:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
Shaera Taam wrote:
Hilen Tukoss wrote:

>> ROUTER CONTACT ESTABLISHED - TRANSPONDER ID HASH  [b]30003453-50008995-50006664[/b]
>> LAYER 44602117/FF

Hilen Tukoss wrote:

TRANSPONDER ID HASH - [b]30003412-30003453[/b] / LAYER 44602117/FF DISCONNECT


Bold above, my emphasis. The router transponders above correspond to the following:
30003453 Sun Orduin - Star
30003412 Sun Elgoi - Star

Perhaps an in-depth look at these systems would be in order? Even if the numbers are a random match and I am looking too hard in the wrong direction...

The 5000nnnn's are obviously not on any database I have access to.


5000xxxx series numbers are stargates. This makes sense as FTL transmissions use stargate fluid routers.

Stargate 50008995 is located in system 30003453, Elgoi. Gate 50006664 is its matching gate in Orduin.

Essentially, this says the message transited the Orduin/Elgoi gate.

Now on to the 3 dimensional relative spatial coordinates.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY