Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A long time ago there wasn't an option to warp at zero to a gate. That meant that people without warp at zero bookmarks were vulnerable to being ganked.

Today the issue still exists with insta dock bookmarks. When you warp at zero, or select a station and click "dock" you are meaning to warp into docking range of the station. However for many stations you'll land well outside docking range and risk being blapped by station campers.

Now like with the warp at zero change, there will be those who disagree with this saying it will remove content (in this case being free kills on players who haven't grasped this completely unintuitive mechanic).

if we're serious about bringing new players into eve then, then removing pointless and unintuitive rituals they need to perform in order to not die is one of those things that just has to happen.

Hopefully the idea that "warping to a station should place you within docking range" isn't considered too radical and outlandish.

Unless ducking range is something else (2500m radius around station), what?
When I warp to 0, I can always dock.

This post is proof of why we need this change. There's a lot of players under the false impression that "when I warp to 0 I can always dock."

This mechanic is completely unintuitive, not to mention not documented or explained anywhere.

I've been doing a lot of courier missions, and I haven't noticed this problem. I always warp to 0 and I always end up right next to the station I'm docking at.

Sometimes the station takes a while to acknowledge your docking request. I think that is by design. Either someone else (even an NPC) is docking and there is a queue, or it's a lore thing to create the illusion that the NPC's are too busy to get around to you right now.

I could be wrong, and it's just lag or something. But if it's intentional I think it's a nice touch. Anyways when it happens I just spam the dock button and they usually get around to me a little faster.

No, actually. I warp to 0 and I end up in range. When I'm waiting for the dock request my ship isn't moving.

Yes, this is an issue, I have no idea how the people above have gone through their EVE careers without noticing it. The big problem is that it's largely arbitrary/random so you have no idea if you are going to land at 0m or 2500m from the station you just warped to. Please CCP, fix this issue.



He's not referring to the small delay between "Docking permission requested" and "Docking request accepted". You cannot dock until you are within 300m of the station (on the overview). In many cases, you will hit Warp to 0 or Dock and wind up as far as 2,000m or so from the station, plenty of time for someone to lock and web you if you are flying something slow.

Except there is no unpredictability. If you use an insta dock bookmark you will land in docking range every single time.

This "feature" doesn't add excitement or keep people on their toes, it just forces people to make and use bookmarks, and punishes those who aren't aware of this unintuitive and obtuse "game mechanic."

Whilst I agree with ShahFluffers regarding a little unpredictability being a good thing, I do see the OP's point. If I remember correctly, it's not unpredictable. Those stations where the warp to zero is inside the docking perimeter you always warp to inside the docking perimeter and for those that it isn't you don't. Mind you, the direction you warp in from often makes a difference.

That said, I don't think it's a massive issue. The development time required to normalise all the station docking ranges so that warp to zero always warps you to inside the docking range irrespective of where you warp from for every station without making station docking work from ludicrously far away would seem better spent on more worthwhile things.

I use insta dock and undock bookmarks in jita regardless of the circumstances, the jita undock is a spooky place where a lot of people who doesn't understand game mechanics well have died.

It's like this purposely and it creates content. A big -1 from me.

Creating the instadock bookmark is not always available so it's not a matter of extra unnecessary steps to achieve safety. There are enough scenarios where you need to dock up in a station you don't have a bookmark for and don't have the opportunity to obtain a bookmark first. A couple Tornado on the undock can make quick work of a cruiser docking up during a roam in low.



I've never encountered a station where you always end up in the docking ring and never encountered one where you always end up out of it. It could be though that player owned stations are different than empire, as I've never docked in sov.