EVE General Discussion

Blah blah blah - data - blah blah blah.

Feel free to start the Pew Polling institute for Eve. No hard data exists. Thankfully we have logic and common sense...and as usual all of my points are correct.

Do you have any actual arguments, or do you just want to scream DATA and preclude any fruitful discussion?

You preclude any discussion by stating your position is correct all the time. Keep up your display of narcissism as you make the rest of us look intelligent and rational.

I do have actual arguments.

*) Awoxing is not the massive problem that yourself and some members of CSM are making it out to be. The data we do have, which is sufficient, shows it neither to be a common occurrence, nor a demotivator for hisec players to join player corps.

*) You can survive 20 seconds against gankers, given the ridiculous EHP your fits are sporting. I think you can survive much longer, i.e. minutes, so CONCORD response times should be revisited.

*) Move all profitable ores to lowsec or lower. This has already the scheme implemented for exploration sites, since exploration rewards in hisec is mice nuts. Leave some minimal ore belts in rookie systems.

*) Same as above for incursion sites.

*) Reduce L4 payout or move L4 to low.

*) The above 3 suggestions will diversify EVE population between high (trading?) and low (rewards of PVE)

*) Revamp ratting in null to eliminate the possibility of AFK

*) Revamp the physical activity of mining to eliminate AFK. This would have the added benefit of reducing gank kills, and discouraging botters.


The way to encourage players to interact with players is not reduce the overall risk. Reducing risk makes it less likely that players will need each other.


Instead, you take the food and move it into a more dangerous place. People will have to learn how to swim in order to survive.


I will not cover any opinions on NPC corps and wardecs because that is a much more complicated discussion.

I think he fell asleep. Quick, does anyone have a magic marker so that we can draw on his face?

We are neck and neck in Likes. This competition is ON.




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This thread is so awful, it literally gave me cancer.

Seriously, I was reading it in doc's waiting room, and bamf, biopsy came back positive for basal-cell carcinoma.


No worries though, they froze the ugly mole off right there.

I hear Hek can be a nice vacation spot for BU's like myself so, I don't consider it all that damning

On a sidenote, there's no way in hell imma be able to come up with 50bil isk by Christmas. Just wanted to see how many people might be able to refrain from giving Tears Failvar any more relevance.

On another note, those new polarised guns look like a buff to highsec ganking, so by Tears' own logic, CCP wants highsec to be dangerous.

Welcome to EVE, where the most lame gameplay style in history of games are common, srly gatecamping and station insta puff is terrible...

Hah! Haven't played for about two years... and I see this is still the same stuff.

Little backstory:

When I started (that was before there were 5k players) I used to live in a lowsec system where me and my brother and a friend of mine would actually... rat, mine, pve when there were missions we liked. It was pretty cool. Sometimes one of those "old players" would move through the system and we did learn quickly to avoid meeting them in the expensive ships. :D

As the amount of players increased it slowly morphed into one of these systems where there were ALWAYS gatecamps. Like all the time. Any time. And no - we were not good enough to break them. Back then there was no "jump to 0" - but we did create some "jump to gate and move 15 onward bookmarks" (anyone remember those lists being really valuable? :D)

When reallife reduced the playtime we ended up not being able to compensate the losses. So that's what turned me into a carebear. Been doing that for ~6 years on and off.

I'd love to pvp some (most of the time I just want to chill after work for an hour or so) - but there simply is no place for people roaming a bit. Even a three-person gang usually dies in organized gatecamps. And even if there are 1 or 2 coming through: It's the early end of the evening.

So yes, I think gates should defend their travellers somewhat better. PvP in Lowsec would have to take place in the belts and sites then. With chances of seeing them comming - at least in local. Getting creds oriented high-sec-people into low sec would also have to include the chance of compensating the losses if "successfully" capturing loot / bounties. So... add roaming NPC officers that would wreck pure pvp setups. NPC that need to be hunted down, scanned, or located in a way that is similar to how players need to be scanned down... blurring the line between hunting NPC and hunting players...

Would be my 2 cents. As a former low-sec, now carebear. I admit it. ;) Flame me about it.

"Go back to high-sec" is a total worthless phrase, as that is what is happening all the time anyways. With ... well... everyone you talk to who "ventured into low sec to take a look".

Use mwd+cloak to get through gates. The mobile depot now makes this easy as pie and you can refit is any system now, meaning you never have to go through a gate un travel fit...ever. Improved Cloak in high, MWD and tank in mids, stabs and inertias in lows, ECM drones in drone bay. If your pve fitting is bulky or you need extra ammo add some cargo expanders to your travel fit.

If slying small ships dscan gates on way out for smartbombers, either from nearby celestial, or dumping capacitor until warp stops within dscan range of the outgate. Check local for active criminals. Make perches for regularly used gates, on grid, off grid, insta undocks from stations etc etc.

Find campers by use dotlan stats and map stats for losses. Open zkillboard for that system look at recent losses. Add obvious campers to watchlist and check notify when online, run a locator agent on an alt if you really pushing the boat out.

Take a set of probes and use highsec-lowsec wormholes to get in and out.

Don't start sites with people in already local. Keep in range from cans in hackers so you can insta cloak. Keep mobile depot deployed in combat sites, and never be at zero on warpin. Spam dscan whenever someone comes in to the moment they leave. Align out until they leave. If you see probes assume they have traded the bookmark to someone outside the system who can now insta warp to your site. Alternate dscan range between 14AU and 1AU to see people coming in. Be extra paranoia.

Don't accept random fleet invites. Don't sit still uncloaked in a safe. Common sense stuff.