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[Rhea] Introducing the Bowhead

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Valterra Craven
#881 - 2014-11-12 20:49:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


Every single ship in EVE works better when used in a group.


Also a bit disingenuous. A freighter can't physically hold more cargo when its used with a group.
A velator can't do more dps when its in a group.
A raven can't hold more torpedoes when its in a group.

Better is relative.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#882 - 2014-11-12 20:52:22 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Every single ship in EVE works better when used in a group.


Also a bit disingenuous. A freighter can't physically hold more cargo when its used with a group.


No it can't. it CAN however move 12 times faster (webbing frigate) with more EHP (links) while having help if it gets ganked (reps).
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#883 - 2014-11-12 20:53:42 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:

A raven can't hold more torpedoes when its in a group.

ah yes torpedo having, truly the benchmark of a ship's worthiness and value

this is why ample light misl launchers are so popular

*crickets*

oh




ohh
Nya Kittenheart
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#884 - 2014-11-12 20:56:12 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Every single ship in EVE works better when used in a group.


Also a bit disingenuous. A freighter can't physically hold more cargo when its used with a group.


No it can't. it CAN however move 12 times faster (webbing frigate) with more EHP (links) while having help if it gets ganked (reps).


As if protection ,links and webs were provided by fleet in null sec ...
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#885 - 2014-11-12 21:00:56 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Every single ship in EVE works better when used in a group.


Also a bit disingenuous. A freighter can't physically hold more cargo when its used with a group.
A velator can't do more dps when its in a group.
A raven can't hold more torpedoes when its in a group.

Better is relative.


A freighter can align faster and be safer in a group.
A velator CAN do more dps in a group due to fleet bonuses.
A raven also performs better in a group due to fleet bonuses.

Better can fit more than your narrowly defined criteria. You're the one being disingenuous with those silly arguments.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#886 - 2014-11-12 21:05:34 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Every single ship in EVE works better when used in a group.


Also a bit disingenuous. A freighter can't physically hold more cargo when its used with a group.
A velator can't do more dps when its in a group.
A raven can't hold more torpedoes when its in a group.

Better is relative.


A freighter can align faster and be safer in a group.
A velator CAN do more dps in a group due to fleet bonuses.
A raven also performs better in a group due to fleet bonuses.

Better can fit more than your narrowly defined criteria. You're the one being disingenuous with those silly arguments.




sorry no fleet bonus for dps. also doesnt increase ammo holding ability.
Valterra Craven
#887 - 2014-11-12 21:08:28 UTC
War Kitten wrote:


Better can fit more than your narrowly defined criteria. You're the one being disingenuous with those silly arguments.



Considering that none of what you talk about is free, I'm not being disingenuous. Enlisting help to move goods is at the bare min an opportunity cost to anyone involved, as well as huge expense to the freighter pilot themselves. Just like freedom isn't free, neither is protection and having to pay someone to help me do a job I should be able to do alone is NOT better.
Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#888 - 2014-11-12 21:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Celly S
Deadly Hobbitses wrote:


How about shaking things up a bit and adding a little bit of uniqueness to these things?

Increase base SMA volume to 1750000
Install 2.5LY jump drive
Adjust hp/capacitor as needed
Remove fatigue bonus

Role Bonus:
Jump drive gate scanner (renders vessel's jump drive capable of locking onto stargates remotely in the absence of a cynosural field)



When activated, the ship would be capable of using its jump drive to jump to a cyno or a gate in any system which is in range.
If a system is chosen, the ship would jump to a random gate in the system at normal jump-in range. This ability to shorten one's journey by means of bypassing some systems along the way would give the ship purpose while the low jump range and buildup of fatigue would help to prevent it being used as easily for force projection. In the case of highsec incursioners this might be enough of a buff to make it worth putting their shiny toys in as opposed to just flying them in a high hp travel fit.


you can't light a cyno in High sec, and carriers can move ships in null, there's absolutely "zero" reason to have a jump drive on this thing.
if you use a Jump-bridge in null you get the 90% reduction in fatigue, if you install a jump drive on it, then you can't use a jump-bridge.

o/
Celly Smunt

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#889 - 2014-11-12 21:37:21 UTC
Bertucio wrote:
So what you're saying here is that all the freighter pilots and there is a good majority of them right now who fly solo - shouldn't be entitled to it - and YOU should be entitled to gank them in cheap dessies because no one is forcing them to fly a freighter.


No, he's saying you're perfectly entitled to fly solo, but if a bunch of us asplode you there's no victim - you're just a willing volunteer.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#890 - 2014-11-12 21:38:11 UTC
I'm glad there has been nothing constructive for the last couple pages means this thread is over and nothing will we looked at anyway.

I'm looking forward to the day caps can enter high sec.
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#891 - 2014-11-12 22:47:14 UTC
Another disgusting stat: you can get 344k EHP with a 100% afk fit, no active modules.
Zalmun
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#892 - 2014-11-13 01:50:21 UTC
EVE is real. At least if you fly a freighter.
Bevici Roden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#893 - 2014-11-13 02:12:54 UTC
I like the bowhead. I am unsure if the added ehp buff was needed.
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#894 - 2014-11-13 02:45:05 UTC
when given the choice between fitting tank and fitting more cargo into the hold, capsuleers choose cargo

and because they choose wrong, every time, now CCP is taking that choice away
Yume Ookami
Cognitive Disonance
#895 - 2014-11-13 05:46:28 UTC
so if we are basing this ship on freighters then i would assume even with the rig and mid slots

structure 85-90000 hp
armor 30-35000 hp
shields 30-35000 hp

i see this as decent

or even at the bottom of the freighters

structure 65000 hp
armor 15000 hp
shields 14000 hp

would be understandable
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#896 - 2014-11-13 06:04:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
I have cleaned up an incredible amount of this thread. Please keep it on topic and civil. Only warning. Thanks.

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Senior Lead

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Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#897 - 2014-11-13 07:27:14 UTC
I'm grateful to have the troll stench gone from the thread, but going from 63 pages down to 45 means 29% of the entire contents of this thread after only a few days was entirely useless. That's more than just a little depressing.
Fruckton Haulalot
EREBOR Logistics
#898 - 2014-11-13 08:08:14 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:

Why do they need more than one bs? I don't run incursions so I'm not up on their current meta.


There are different ships in an HQ incursion fleet. Depending on whom you fly with there will be snipers, dps, logi, and the drone bunny. Yes some of them will be pirate hulls (nightmare, mach, vindi) but you can also see the occasional hyperion, rokh, TFI. etc. Unless you are talking multiboxers you are very apt to see a mix of ships and styles and if you wan the best chance of being called up you will have an assortment handy so you can step into any role.

So you bring a couple of BS's and maybe a cruiser or two.

This is why I asked for this ship and why I am trying to follow this thread (aside from the debate societies additions)

So . . . the basic stats. Is it big enough? Does it fullfill the stated role? Is the tank sufficient?

I am NOT asking if it shoudl have jumpdrive, doomsday, hammer4 fittings.

Just is it balanced enough that it is not 'safe against all' nor 'a paper bag with a screen door'.

m



the three areas of point here... is it big enouhg... being able to carrier 2 or 3 battleships is so very much big enough because at present you can not carry that many full fit without jumping through alot of hoops and double wrapping...

Does it fill the role... yes it can but only if the last part is tank sufficient... currently no... the tank sufficient to protect the 10 billion to 15 billion worth of cargo ... is wrather pathetic.


A well fit tanked orca carrying far less priced cargo can tank with skills, mods, rigs a little over 450,000 ehp and still be very usefull in its roles....

The Bowhead being bigger and designed to carry more expensive cargo should in enturn be tanker then the orca....

Shoot even the worst of the normal frieghters are tanker than the BOWhead at this point.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#899 - 2014-11-13 08:08:58 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Anonymous Forumposter wrote:
I'm grateful to have the troll stench gone from the thread, but going from 63 pages down to 45 means 29% of the entire contents of this thread after only a few days was entirely useless. That's more than just a little depressing.


Welcome to every single topic on anything to do with high sec. All of the useful feedback on this new ship has been given, now that the high sec entitalment crowd has found the thead nothing useful will come from this thread anymore.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#900 - 2014-11-13 08:12:02 UTC
Fruckton Haulalot wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:

Why do they need more than one bs? I don't run incursions so I'm not up on their current meta.


There are different ships in an HQ incursion fleet. Depending on whom you fly with there will be snipers, dps, logi, and the drone bunny. Yes some of them will be pirate hulls (nightmare, mach, vindi) but you can also see the occasional hyperion, rokh, TFI. etc. Unless you are talking multiboxers you are very apt to see a mix of ships and styles and if you wan the best chance of being called up you will have an assortment handy so you can step into any role.

So you bring a couple of BS's and maybe a cruiser or two.

This is why I asked for this ship and why I am trying to follow this thread (aside from the debate societies additions)

So . . . the basic stats. Is it big enough? Does it fullfill the stated role? Is the tank sufficient?

I am NOT asking if it shoudl have jumpdrive, doomsday, hammer4 fittings.

Just is it balanced enough that it is not 'safe against all' nor 'a paper bag with a screen door'.

m



the three areas of point here... is it big enouhg... being able to carrier 2 or 3 battleships is so very much big enough because at present you can not carry that many full fit without jumping through alot of hoops and double wrapping...

Does it fill the role... yes it can but only if the last part is tank sufficient... currently no... the tank sufficient to protect the 10 billion to 15 billion worth of cargo ... is wrather pathetic.


A well fit tanked orca carrying far less priced cargo can tank with skills, mods, rigs a little over 450,000 ehp and still be very usefull in its roles....

The Bowhead being bigger and designed to carry more expensive cargo should in enturn be tanker then the orca....

Shoot even the worst of the normal frieghters are tanker than the BOWhead at this point.


We are hitting 600k ehp in this thing. It is also not designed to have a tank for a 10 billion isk cargo and never will be, you fit that at your own risk.