EVE General Discussion

This is not really true. Lots of low sec is empty and depending on the time of day/night you can pve pretty much unmolested. I've done so many a night.

And given that the vast majority of low sec pve is done in deadspace (ie you have to scan down the person doing the pve, unlike in incursions and faction warfare pve which has bright whiny beacons to tell you were people are, and null sec anoms which don't have beacons but are otherwise totally open/warpable), low sec pve is demonstrably safer than most other places.

With a carrier and the skills to use fighters (and an insta undock bookmark for each station you use), a cyno alt and faction standings above 7 for whatever faction you run for, you can blitz lvl 5 missions in near perfect safety, not being in any one mission more than 1.5 minutes, not even having to wait to recall drones (because fighters can warp also). Someone HAS to use probes to find you, and all you have to do is watch d-scan for those. You can make people give up trying it you do it right lol.

And you don't even have to do lvl 5s or spend a lot of isk or have a lot of skill points to do low sec. You don't need a corp backing you. You can get away without even needing a scout if you plan right. if you watch videos like that Russian youtube guys does you might need a supply of kleenex and lotion, but that's optional (lol).

Telling people to not even try is exactly what's wrong with high sec players. not gankers, not scammers, not "CONCORDin high sec/low sec gate guns not strong enough!". Actual players telling people it can't be done is the problem.

rubbish

I lived in Solitude low sec for the first 8 months of EVE. There is no 'empty low sec'. There is roamed low sec and camped low sec. Roamed low sec has restricted PvE opportunity cycles and those cycles don't compete with high sec income. The only way low sec is more lucrative than high sec is if you have undisputed PvE because it's all a farm game.

Low sec stations are still an alternative for making capital parts if you have no/ refuse to affiliate yourself with Null Sov entities. It could have been a haven for introduction PI but 30% and up tax sunk that ship long ago.

well that's just unfortunate.

should have checked traffic data for the systems you were going to.

First of all I play in all regions of space, so you can kill all that kneejerk "high sec" people noise and accompanying prattling, postering, and assumptions that go with. I don't believe in limiting myself in my enjoyment of EVE, especially from some need to identify with some elite group of capsuleers that thinks they are more of an EVE player because of the region of space they play in, or how they play. They may be better at a particular aspects, or all aspects, but at the end of the day it is a videogame as you so astutely observed.

It is because is a videogame am not "scared" to do anything in said videogame. That doesn't mean I need to be foolish with my isk and time either, isk IS time for everyone in this game. How much time depends on how many alts you have bankrolling you and how many SP you have.

Low is not for everyone. That is a fact. The risks outweigh the reward not so much because of the danger associated with the risk, but because of the time you have to waste on monotonous risk mitigating tasks just to do some monotonous solo PvE, which is what most carebears want to do.

If something happens to you doing PvE in low, if you are lucky you can dock up and wait the enemy out; not making any isk, or at worst explode, losing whatever isk they made. You can also fight. Because we know how well a PVE fit ship does. Of course you could try to PVE in a PVP fit ship which is anything but optimal and kills the point of low for greater rewards when you run the content more slowly. And even then, daytripping highsec player vs salty pirate in pirate frig complete with boosts and one-eyed parrot isn't very good odds. You can call the missioner "scared", I would call the "not stupid" for avoiding that fight, or better yet not being in that situation in the first place given what their goals in EVE are.

If you goals are "good fights" and adventure or something like that, then the rewards would be worth it because of those extra factors you get. But don't assume that everybody gets enjoyment out of the same things you do. I would be bored out of my mind sitting on a gate in a bunch of T3's for hours waiting for some hauler or mission ship to derp through, but hey, different strokes.

Low is great for those that want fights and to earn some nice cash, but if you don't like to fight or plan to avoid fighting it's a bad move for most and it is not a bad thing to warn against it. Most of the advice here requires SP and account investments some people aren't willing to make or just don't want to make. Nothing wrong with those players staying in High. It's only as cowardly as shooting at missioning carebears in a blob or a boosted pirate frigs and cruisers is an act of courage.

No one said anything false, Low is full of people that want to shoot ships and the easier and shinier the ship is the more likely they will spend their time tracking it down to shoot it. It is not the game mechanics that make low a bad place to go for a carebear, it is the diametrically opposed player behaviors. It just ends up with one player having a ball and the other not so much. If after you account for all the risk mitigation and running, you'd pull in more ISK in high, not because the reward is so great, but because you can more consistently do what you're logged in to do, you'd be a fool to go to Low to prove you're not "scurred". Which is probably why most advise against it. I will concede most that advise against it never really leave high.

But that is not me, and I can say that in fact yes, low is a den of scum and villainy. You get all the null alts that can't shoot anyone in null because they're in the same alliance and can't figure out how to spend all that money, you get the FW dudes that shoot everything and can't blow up enough t1 ships to spend all their money, and you have the pirates who shoot everyone and take their money. And it is for that reason I love it. And post on an alt.

It is also for this reason that if you go there and you KNOW you are a huge carebear you better know what you're doing or be flying something cloaky. That's just the truth.

Pretty much none of what you say is actually true, it's just what lazy people tyell themselves to justify ignoring a painful truth that a video game is too tough for them.

It doesn't take hardly ANY effort to live in low sec. It takes even less effort to make mroe isk than you could doing the same thing in high sec. I don't care where someone plays, what I dislike is the...excuse making people do.

it's enough to say "it's fine but it's not for me". I *can* live in a wormhole but it's not optimal for me, so I don't do it, but I don't pretend that my preference is based on some terrible thing about wormholes, it's just a preference. That you have to write a book justiftying your incorrect and easily disprvable ideas about low sec says more than any post of mine can.

The simple fact is that low sec is the most lucrative solo pve ground in the game by a signifigant long shot. Lots of people in high sec don't understand this because their friends and mentors are ...lets just be charitable here and say 'mistaken'. Lots of rents in null don't understand either because even though it's less isk , it's easier to farm anomalies for liquid isk. But that ignorance and presonal preference aside, it is a verifiable FACT that low sec is the best solo pve space available in the game.

You can't make 2-600 mil with a stealthbomber anywhere else in game. You can't make a sustainable 500 mil per hour with a single carrier anywhere else in EVE. you sure as hell can't make 300 mil in any pve in eve except low sec lvl 4 missions with a naga. And because low sec odens't allow bubbles, their is ZERO ways to 100% prevent someone from PVEing unlike npc null.

Again, if you have to make such long winded excuses to justify a prefence (ie not liking low sec), that says something, and that something isn't good.

Or, some of us, like me, enjoy the safety and security of highsec. Being able to run L4s and incursions with minimal risk, no dscan, and infallible CONCORD allies. Personally I find that a lot more rewarding than dealing with the irritating dangers of lowsec.

It would make more sense to design the game so that everyone can get maximum enjoyment out of it. But I do agree somewhat, as nerfing awoxxing/ganking/theft/wardeccs would make it a lot easier and safer to interact with people in highsec. Maybe you should start a movement?

You can't be serious. I don't disagree with your overall points, but this bit? This bit happens all the time.

But yeah, lowsec, null, and WH's are not particularly dangerous. You just need an adequate knowledge of the mechanics in each of those types of space and you can avoid 99.9% of unwanted hostile encounters.

That is not possible, nor is it goal worthy. Nothing in the existence of humanity has pleased everyone - let alone given everyone maximum enjoyment.

When you have a game whose popularity is entirely due to catering to a specific niche, throwing away that niche for "everyone" is a good way to make sure that no one enjoys it.

I for one question why his enjoyment of the game is so dependent on the removal of everything the game design actually stands for. Why not just play a different game?