Science & Industry

Can't agree more. Although I have to say that AFK mining does have a purpose. It allows for those who can't or don't want to pay for gametime to generate enough ore to trade for a PLEX.
This may sound boring (I'd rather jump off a cliff) but allows players to use the non-AFK time for some actual fun PvP, funded by their mining expeditions.

This made me chuckle :)

My proposal is more active, but less risky where modules can be used (low/nul/wspace) the base asteroid yield still needs to be addressed to offer a real incentive to goto nul/low exclusively to mine but I'm not addressing that here. Just mainly focused on the gameplay.

Thats basically what the proposal is... In the form of a mining platform.

This should be in F&I section. ISD move this to the proper venue so it could receive more attention please.

Of course the ease of AFK activities is tied to PLEX accessibility. If you make valuable resources (or ISK) more easily available to one type of game play, those players will more easily afford the PLEX on the market. It's true that overproduction of ore will self-correct some as ore prices crash, but still these players who are gaining resources with no/low effort will distort the PLEX market, allowing them to buy the PLEX on the market, rather than people earning their ISK from other game activities.

And that doesn't change the fact you just crashed the ore market by making AFK highsec mining completely safe.


Mining is not balanced properly. First, I can fit a ship to mine nearly invulnerable to ganks while I am still AFK. Second, something called "active mining" does not exists - you press a button and there is nothing you can do to improve your yield. I will concede that something like "active defense" does so I can fit slightly more yield if I forgo any tank and defend myself by paying attention which is something, but there is nothing I can do actively when I am in the belt to increase my yield. As a result, the best strategy is to multibox as many tanked ships as my hardware can handle, which I suggest is bad game design.

Adding a true active component would make this approach impossible, and put the emphasis back on profit flowing from player effort where it should be, not on who can afford the most accounts/computing power.

Here's a mining platform for you.

I would like to propose that the mining community get a revamp in the form of at least one (1) - T3 mining vessel. Additionally, I would like to see a T3 mining vessel that is designed to both mine and fight back simultaneously. My vision of a T3 mining mining vessel would combine the defensive capabilities of a Skiff, with the mining capabilities of a Hulk, and be capable of Cruiser or Destroyer level combat.

I believe such a ship could be designed to incorporate T3 mining crystals as well... having the capability of shooting both rocks and ships alike, thereby eliminating any need for additional slots to accommodate offensive weapons.

I have played this game now for the better part of six years... and there has always existed an unjust and unparalleled division among miners and PVP pilots with regards to combat role-play. PVP pilots have continually enjoyed the favor of CCP's game designers in so much as... they have been allowed to unleash utter havoc against miners and their defenseless ships without any form of repercussion from the miners themselves. So why is that?

I mean... if you give any credence to the entire back drop of the New Eden story... I find it just a little hard to believe that Eve's all powerful corporations and the scientific organizations would not have developed a counter-terrorist version of the mining vessel. Hell look at our own history... when British and Spanish galleons sailed the seven seas... filled with gold and untold treasures, while they were armed to the teeth with cannons along their port and starboard sides as were the pirate ships that pursued them.

I do not necessarily advocate taking anything away from PVP pilots, but I do think it is way past time CCP leveled the playing field somewhat in that respect. The majority of miners in this game do not enjoy the luxury of dedicated roaming fleets and/or 'protected' mining ops., and from my own personal experiences... its just plain too boring sitting around 'baby-sitting' miners. As a normal 'mode' of game play... are pretty much loners... and in my mind very much likened to 'wildcatters' back during the oil boom. I would imagine they were a rough & tough crowd too much like gold miners who did not take too kindly to claim jumpers.

You might consider this fact as well... nearly ship in the world of Eve... has some sort of offensive capability... except mining ships. And don't talk to me about drones either. I am talking about real combat capability.

Look, the lower the PLEX volume on the market is, the higher the price, which lowers the volume even further. Granted, there's some speculation going on, but that's not as effective as you might thing. People that stockpile PLEX are a minority, just as those who use it and those who seed it within the economy.

And I do happen to enjoy the lower mineral prices that isboxing brings us. There's nothing wrong with flooding the market with cheap resources :)

And what activity is that?

EvE lends itself to multiboxing, no way around that as of now.

I don't think you understand the humongous task that reworking EvE as to not be appealing to multibox would be. It's a core tenet of the game.