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Ronand deReide
Taurus Quantum Technologies
Taurus Quantum Dynamics
#1 - 2014-11-12 01:06:44 UTC
The Description says, "Never Again"..

Why is this?
Kohiko Sun
Stormcrows
#2 - 2014-11-12 17:47:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Kohiko Sun
Pator is in Heimatar, and it's where The Day of Darkness happened. When the Minmatar talk about the Day of Darkness, they promise themselves and warn everyone else, "Never again."
Ronand deReide
Taurus Quantum Technologies
Taurus Quantum Dynamics
#3 - 2014-11-12 17:53:34 UTC
Kohiko Sun wrote:
Pator is in Heimatar, and it's where The Day of Darkness happened. When the Minmatar talk about the Day of Darkness, they tell themselves and everyone else, "Never again."



Thanks.. A huge gap is missing in my Eve Lore, if everyone came through the Eve Gate to New Eden, how were the Minmatar "discovered"?
Kohiko Sun
Stormcrows
#4 - 2014-11-12 18:09:07 UTC
When the EVE wormhole closed, most planets were still being terraformed and the colonists died. The survivors went through dark ages on planets scattered around the cluster and lost their technology and everything they knew. Thousands of years later, some learned how to get back to space, and those became empires like the Jove and Sleepers. They (mostly) disappeared, and eventually the empires in the game now grew.

So, after a few dark ages and 14,000 years, people didn't know there were others on other planets until they found them again.
Ronand deReide
Taurus Quantum Technologies
Taurus Quantum Dynamics
#5 - 2014-11-12 18:19:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ronand deReide
Kohiko Sun wrote:
When the EVE wormhole closed, most planets were still being terraformed and the colonists died. The survivors went through dark ages on planets scattered around the cluster and lost their technology and everything they knew. Thousands of years later, some learned how to get back to space, and those became empires like the Jove and Sleepers. They (mostly) disappeared, and eventually the empires in the game now grew.

So, after a few dark ages and 14,000 years, people didn't know there were others on other planets until they found them again.



Thanks for clarifying! I knew about the collapse and the 'dark ages', but I didn't know that what we read as the Joves also came through the gate. That is interesting, because I always considered the Joves as the only other 'non-human-human' race in the universe since they were so advanced and a lot of their tech isn't replicable. Thanks for the clarification! So the Joves are us.. but super advanced and in decline.

I totally get that 14000 years is a long time, but how does humanity cumulatively forget such a significant event enough to "rediscover" their kin.
Kohiko Sun
Stormcrows
#6 - 2014-11-12 19:07:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kohiko Sun
Ronand deReide wrote:
Thanks for clarifying! I knew about the collapse and the 'dark ages', but I didn't know that what we read as the Joves also came through the gate. That is interesting, because I always considered the Joves as the only other 'non-human-human' race in the universe since they were so advanced and a lot of their tech isn't replicable. Thanks for the clarification! So the Joves are us.. but super advanced and in decline.
You're welcome. Yep, Jove did so much genetic engineering on themselves that they are almost aliens. They even look and think 'alien'.

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I totally get that 14000 years is a long time, but how does humanity cumulatively forget such a significant event enough to "rediscover" their kin.
14,000 years is a very long time. You can forget or lose a lot in it. It's longer than we've known how to farm food or write IRL, and most of the survivors were too busy trying to live for part of that time, so they didn't have much time to think about if a colony five lightyears away was still alive or not, and knowing about it slowly slipped away.

Some people think a place called Earth exists, but most people think they're crazy or believe in a fairy tale. But, it talks about genetics and how some scientists in EVE still don't think people from different worlds all came from the same place. Some still think people just evolved on the different worlds.
Ronand deReide
Taurus Quantum Technologies
Taurus Quantum Dynamics
#7 - 2014-11-12 19:18:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ronand deReide
Kohiko Sun wrote:
Ronand deReide wrote:

I totally get that 14000 years is a long time, but how does humanity cumulatively forget such a significant event enough to "rediscover" their kin.
14,000 years is a very long time. You can forget or lose a lot in it. It's longer than we've known how to farm food or write IRL. Some people think a place called Earth exists, but most people think they're crazy or believe in a fairy tale. But, it talks about genetics and how some scientists in EVE still don't think people from different worlds all came from the same place. Some still think people just evolved on the different worlds.


True, but don't you think after a certain point we'd see remnants ships and structures that we don't have the capability of producing and piece together the past or even reanimate tech lost during the collapse?

I totally understand the genetic evolutionary differences of humanity.. 14,000 years is a CRAZY long time to evolve and for technological development. Hypothetically If I had a clone and he grew up in The Outer Ring & I grew up in Molden Heath our grandchildren would probably be night and day different just given the Sun, Gravity, climate patterns, its effects on our bodies and the planetary terrain we grew up on so I can imagine 14,000 years of that difference spread throughout New Eden.. So I can see the evolution of the diff civilizations, but I'm still having a hard time reconciling the loss of knowledge. shurg.jpg. If humanity on Earth went dark now, then 14,000 years later went up into space and discovered the ISS... Do you think we'd be able to realize what it was and what it was used for? The language might be different, but we'd be able to piece some data points together. Its just weird.. I'm enjoying this conversation - so please dont think I'm debating you on anything. :)
Kohiko Sun
Stormcrows
#8 - 2014-11-12 19:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Kohiko Sun
Pfft. I don't think it's a debate at all, don't worry.

Part of the lost things are part of the lore. That's the big mystery for things like wormholes and something called Arek'Jalaan (it lets players be scientists and archaeologists discovering the secret lore). You can see threads for it in the Live Events and IGS forums.

The Sisters of EVE are always studying the EVE gate (even if they think 'god' lives on the other side). Sleepers are where we learned to make T3 ships. Empress Jamyl used something from Earth to blow up a whole fleet when the Minmatar Elders invaded the Amarr Empire (when FW started). I wouldn't be surprised if there are old Earth ships still floating in space, but they've had a long time to drift off if no one's found and hidden them. There are hints that the Amarr Scriptures have a lot of 'ancient' science and knowledge in them. It's part of why they were the first 'modern' empire to relearn how to build jump gates and were so advanced that they could just enslave everyone they ran across.
Ronand deReide
Taurus Quantum Technologies
Taurus Quantum Dynamics
#9 - 2014-11-12 19:45:38 UTC
Kohiko Sun wrote:
Pfft. I don't think it's a debate at all, don't worry.

Smile


Kohiko Sun wrote:
Empress Jamyl used something from Earth to blow up a whole fleet when the Minmatar Elders invaded the Amarr Empire (when FW started). .



Hmmm... I read Templar One before the Empyrean Age (halfway through it now)... and I think you just spoiled the book for me XD. I'm at the ramp up stage where its revealed the Minmatar are amassing a gigantic secret fleet through siphoning Republic rebuilding funds.. Oh well Roll

I'd also be interested in the Lore related events... how often does CCP have those?
Kohiko Sun
Stormcrows
#10 - 2014-11-12 19:59:07 UTC
*headdesk* Sorry! I didn't think of spoilers. (And, if you're interested in roleplay, where it's from isn't something characters know.)


Most people might tell you they don't have those events often enough. :p

This started today: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=385111&find=unread Hilen Tukoss is a NPC actor for Arek'Jalaan, not a player.