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Obil Que
Star Explorers
Solis Tenebris
#41 - 2014-11-12 19:11:06 UTC
Hilen Tukoss wrote:

>> CONNECTION TERMINATED << 
0411632 - //ROUTER TOKEN EXPIRY – 116//01/20 – 14:29
TRANSPONDER ID HASH - 30003412-30003453 / LAYER 44602117/FF DISCONNECT

ERROR CODE:

464f5243454420444953434f4e4e454354
545950453d555345524143434f554e54414343455353464c555348



I am not familiar with router technology. How does the date/time representation of this message reflect as to the origin of the message itself? The date/time of the token appears to be in the past by a number of months.
Invescu Ohaya
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-11-12 19:11:43 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
... First glance seems to indicate that it is unoccupied. I'll investigate further.

Mark726 wrote:


I'll pause my analysis here to note that Elgoi and Orduin are, respectively, 1 and 2 jumps out from Eram. Unfortunately, I don't have full access to the starmaps to check on a hunch I have on this subject.


Is this hunch that the two systems are on a line from the coordinates given to Eram?


While I am using only crude mapping software from my sadly remote location, a preliminary model indicates that this is not the case:

http://i.imgur.com/gB3Vtui.png


There does not appear to be any astronomical alignment between Eram with Elgoi and Orduin. Nor do Elgoi and Orduin alone appear to align with any known system.

My apologies for only looking at a negative. I am a dilettante in these matters, but follow your discussions with interest.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#43 - 2014-11-12 19:15:42 UTC
A literal line in space wasn't what was meant - more a path of systems for his message to follow.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Anslo
Scope Works
#44 - 2014-11-12 19:16:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Well that one wormhole may be our only lead. Our guys are poking everything they can with probes.

UPDATE:

Alright ladies and gents, we have intel back. The low class wormhole has a connecting wormhole inside it. Two actually...

They have Wolf Rayets, J231306 and J163804.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#45 - 2014-11-12 19:37:18 UTC
Hm. I suppose I'll have to send my associate back in. Anything interesting inside, Anslo?

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Anslo
Scope Works
#46 - 2014-11-12 19:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Hell if we know. We're going on about this like we always go on. After two pints of ale and a packet or chips.

I'll say this much though, I know you and others got beef with this guy. Fair enough. But if this **** is the way it's looking like, you may wanna put off executing him until whatever the hell going on is stopped. I may be taking a leap, but there's something out there that feels threatened, and is acting on that feeling. That combined with the whole Site One being contaminated, much like those Talocan sites, well...

We got bigger problems I think. We get Tukoss out. We assess the threat, and then we do what we do best.

Lock and load, mother *******.

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#47 - 2014-11-12 19:42:39 UTC
Keep up the good work people! And if the translated message is anything to go by, I would say that the revitalization of Arek'Jaalan is important as well, so best not to hasten things & lay a good foundation for it's workings.

Looking forward to any data & information that will be dug up!

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Anslo
Scope Works
#48 - 2014-11-12 20:08:16 UTC
Well we've probed every sig in those systems but got nothing but relic and data sites. Nothing too out of the ordinary. There's some other wormholes linking to other systems. However, none are Wolf Rayets.

We'll continue checking these systems and hope we...I dunno, bump into something cloaked or some crap.

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Rhavas
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#49 - 2014-11-12 20:19:57 UTC
In the case of all the systems you are exploring (I am currently unable to come to k-space), I highly recommend warping to both the sun and to planet 1. Most Sleeper capabilities based on my studies for Project Tesseract indicate that key capabilities are tied to these two locations. If something is cloaked, the first place I would look is there.

I also recommend that someone go investigate The Hyperbole Nexus in Barkrik. It's a long shot, but with the volume of historical Sleeper constructs in that area and the communications array it may have a connection, and is not far from Eram.

Thanks to everyone able to begin work on this today.

Relative to Site One ... what Tukoss' message says to me is that "contaminated" effectively means that The Antiquarian's (and others') donations likely went to someone Tukoss' captors, which makes sense (who controls Site One? Not Tukoss!). Oops?

Author of Interstellar Privateer Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#50 - 2014-11-12 20:23:36 UTC
Rhavas wrote:
In the case of all the systems you are exploring (I am currently unable to come to k-space), I highly recommend warping to both the sun and to planet 1. Most Sleeper capabilities based on my studies for Project Tesseract indicate that key capabilities are tied to these two locations. If something is cloaked, the first place I would look is there.

I also recommend that someone go investigate The Hyperbole Nexus in Barkrik. It's a long shot, but with the volume of historical Sleeper constructs in that area and the communications array it may have a connection, and is not far from Eram.


Good suggestions, do keep in mind that the new sleeper sites found in empire space have a different modus operandi. Most of the Sleeper cache sites apparently appear at the edge of the solarsystem, as per the Concord report on it. So I would include 'Edge of solarsystem' in your searches as well.

I-RED ran some investigations already on these new sites, albeit these were in an entirely different region.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Anslo
Scope Works
#51 - 2014-11-12 20:46:05 UTC
Rhavas wrote:
In the case of all the systems you are exploring (I am currently unable to come to k-space), I highly recommend warping to both the sun and to planet 1. Most Sleeper capabilities based on my studies for Project Tesseract indicate that key capabilities are tied to these two locations. If something is cloaked, the first place I would look is there.

I also recommend that someone go investigate The Hyperbole Nexus in Barkrik. It's a long shot, but with the volume of historical Sleeper constructs in that area and the communications array it may have a connection, and is not far from Eram.

Thanks to everyone able to begin work on this today.

Relative to Site One ... what Tukoss' message says to me is that "contaminated" effectively means that The Antiquarian's (and others') donations likely went to someone Tukoss' captors, which makes sense (who controls Site One? Not Tukoss!). Oops?


Any other bright ideas? We don't really do Anoikis.

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Mark726
Project Compass Holdings
#52 - 2014-11-12 21:33:43 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
A literal line in space wasn't what was meant - more a path of systems for his message to follow.

My hunch was more along the lines of whether Elgoi or Orduin are on the outer edges of the New Eden Cluster and perhaps indicates the closest systems to the broadcast.

Incidentally, my analysis of the original numbers has proven unfortunately fruitless. My best guess is still that the numbers represent a three-dimensional coordinate, but I also have significant reasons to doubt that hypothesis. A coordinate system doesn't explain why the first two numbers have a "+" attached to them while the third does not have an expected "-" attached to it if it is not positive. Additionally, the CONCORD stellar reference database measures all distances from the local 0,0,0 in meters: assuming that the fluid routers also use that measurement metric, and I have no reason to suspect they wouldn't, Tukoss would be located WELL within the limits of the New Eden cluster, and given the analyses provided by my colleagues in this thread, that seems... unlikely, at best. AU suffer from a similar problem. (As an aside, should the numbers prove to be coordinates in either light-years or parsecs, I'll just note that my previous Compass calculations would be in significant error, though of course that doesn't play into my analysis either way). That being said, I don't have a better idea as of yet what the numbers may mean if they are not, in fact, coordinates.

I will continue to research the potential meanings of these numbers and report back if I find anything significant.
Anslo
Scope Works
#53 - 2014-11-12 21:36:52 UTC
There was a map where it showed New Eden and the possible structure of all Anoikis next to each other. Might help you. But if you're the guy actually made that map well I'll just shut up.

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Mark726
Project Compass Holdings
#54 - 2014-11-12 21:41:10 UTC
Anslo wrote:
There was a map where it showed New Eden and the possible structure of all Anoikis next to each other. Might help you. But if you're the guy actually made that map well I'll just shut up.

Assuming you mean the maps available here, yes, those were constructed from Project Compass data in our preliminary reports. For the sake of transparency, I'll note that neither Dr. Tukoss nor Eifyr ever approved of or substantiated our findings (though CONCORD's actions in removing the locator beacon functionality in Anoikis may be some kind of approval of our methods in another manner).
Anslo
Scope Works
#55 - 2014-11-12 21:43:10 UTC
Then give it a shot. Maybe the coordinates make sense with the maps next to each other..or on top of each other or something. We're thinking of coordinate space in three dimensions. I mean I'm not a physicist yeah but...maybe Sleepers or, whoever has Hilen, don't think or map in three dimensions. Remember, those drones have some weird part that plots coordinates using space AND time. Temporal ****.

Worth looking into maybe?

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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
#56 - 2014-11-12 22:05:57 UTC
As Avio Yaken of Scope Works just brought to our attention... "ROUTER TOKEN EXPIRY – 116//01/20 – 14:29"
Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
#57 - 2014-11-12 22:08:58 UTC
Obil Que wrote:
Hilen Tukoss wrote:

>> CONNECTION TERMINATED << 
0411632 - //ROUTER TOKEN EXPIRY – 116//01/20 – 14:29
TRANSPONDER ID HASH - 30003412-30003453 / LAYER 44602117/FF DISCONNECT

ERROR CODE:

464f5243454420444953434f4e4e454354
545950453d555345524143434f554e54414343455353464c555348



I am not familiar with router technology. How does the date/time representation of this message reflect as to the origin of the message itself? The date/time of the token appears to be in the past by a number of months.


Not being an expert myself, I would venture a guess that Tukoss was using an old authorization token to access the fluid router comm system. The connection was terminated once the system realized that the token was expired, regardless of the fact that he was broadcasting on an emergency frequency.

I would happily be proven wrong if any experts in field could weigh in and correct me.

-st

Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!

Mark726
Project Compass Holdings
#58 - 2014-11-12 22:18:41 UTC
Let's also remember that Dr. Tukoss, at least in the reconstructed messages, is aware of the recent messages from the person claiming to be him and at least somewhat familiar with the items only recently asked for by his doppelganger. As far as I know, I'm unaware of any temporal displacement issues with the other Dr. Tukoss's postings, so this has to be a reasonably recent message.
Anslo
Scope Works
#59 - 2014-11-12 22:21:18 UTC
That date is still something. Just trust my hunch Mark. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

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Mark726
Project Compass Holdings
#60 - 2014-11-12 22:24:17 UTC
I'm still willing and happy to consider any and all possibilities, I just wanted to make sure that was pointed out so we could take it into account.