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Why I don't go to lowsec.

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Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#181 - 2014-11-12 14:12:19 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
1. An alt is another account. So you're saying pay more money to actually play the game, or maybe to carebear by avoiding risk by throwing real world money at the situation?


Did you see I mentioned a corpie? Do you have friends in EVE? Do you think it's too much to ask for you to scout with an alt on the same account? Is it more tedious than dying with 90% certainty?


It sounds like to me you are not familiar with all your options for avoiding certain death, and are frustrated by your experience. I sympathize, but you need to start exploring smarter ways to tackle simple setups like a gatecamp or station camp.



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2. By the time you can access your instaundock after undocking, sebo T3 ships have already locked and shot you, by virtue of the fact that you'll show up on grid before you actually load on your client side.


Owen Levanth's reply mentions exactly how to avoid this. Are you not aware of invulnerability timer on undock? Don't mash the warp button soon as you emerge. It's the worst thing you can do.

Call me Joe.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#182 - 2014-11-12 14:26:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Jvpiter wrote:


It sounds like to me you are not familiar with all your options for avoiding certain death, and are frustrated by your experience. I sympathize, but you need to start exploring smarter ways to tackle simple setups like a gatecamp or station camp.


7 years in EVE taught me the exact same thing 40 years in 'meatspace' (real life) has taught me. Some people are unaware of ways to succeed and once you educate them, they use that and do just that (while felling a bit dumb at the fact that they didn't think of it themselves). These are called "smart people".

Others (called things other than "smart people"), however, don't CARE that those ways exist and won't expend an ounce of effort doing those things even if they know about them They don't want to earn success , they want and expect it to be handed to them without effort.

In this case, people want gate camps (and any other form of unwanted aggression) to be impossible....

Ships that can warp cloaked don't matter. The age old MWD+cloak trick (that I use to push my mission running machariel through gate camps in low sec, haven't lost one yet) doesn't matter. The new bonuses to deep space transports meant to give you a fighting chance to make it back to a gate doesn't matter. Friends don't matter. Scout alts don't matter. low sec to low sec wormhoels don't matter.

NOTHING matters to them other than the fact that (*GASP*) people playing a sandbox video game can hurt them so CCP make it go away! They want a game developer to program away their individual weakness, which is why no amount of nerfing stuff ever satisfies them because CCP can never fix the actual problem (the ultra-risk averse player).


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2. By the time you can access your instaundock after undocking, sebo T3 ships have already locked and shot you, by virtue of the fact that you'll show up on grid before you actually load on your client side.


Owen Levanth's reply mentions exactly how to avoid this. Are you not aware of invulnerability timer on undock? Don't mash the warp button soon as you emerge. It's the worst thing you can do.


That guy you replied to must be playing on a Commodore 64 or something lol. If your client takes 30 seconds+ to load grid and you're not in a 1000 man fleet fight, it's time to upgrade.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#183 - 2014-11-12 14:49:49 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:

2. By the time you can access your instaundock after undocking, sebo T3 ships have already locked and shot you, by virtue of the fact that you'll show up on grid before you actually load on your client side.

cheers for showing us all you are in no way experienced enough to call for anything more than a pizza.

undock...Shocked...ctrl-space...dock....Coolblow raspberrys in local.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#184 - 2014-11-12 14:51:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
The pure, noble lands of low security space are not for the likes of those too afraid to go there anyway, so I really don't care what your excuses are OP. The important thing here is that there's one less filthy carebear to deal with out here.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
somedudeinaship
Star Whorz
#185 - 2014-11-12 15:18:20 UTC  |  Edited by: somedudeinaship
One of the biggest problems I have is a feeling of being overwhelmed and freezing up. This is likely due to being depressed and anxious irl of course. But frankly all that information on the overview, and then not knowing how to tell what direction they are moving (despite some people apparently putting the camera on the enemy ship which would confuse me even more), and more just gets so damn confusing.

I tried using an arty fit Rifter with a very low skilled (710k) pilot and I couldn't hit the Kestrel I was trying to attack. I am guessing it's due to poor turret tracking and artillery sucking inside brawling range???

But freezing up really sucks. I basically look at all the information I have in front of me and have no clue how to process it all quick enough to matter.

EDIT: I believe the name for what I am suffering from is Deer in Healights Syndrome.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#186 - 2014-11-12 15:24:43 UTC
somedudeinaship wrote:
One of the biggest problems I have is a feeling of being overwhelmed and freezing up. This is likely due to being depressed and anxious irl of course. But frankly all that information on the overview, and then not knowing how to tell what direction they are moving (despite some people apparently putting the camera on the enemy ship which would confuse me even more), and more just gets so damn confusing.

I tried using an arty fit Rifter with a very low skilled (710k) pilot and I couldn't hit the Kestrel I was trying to attack. I am guessing it's due to poor turret tracking and artillery sucking inside brawling range???

But freezing up really sucks. I basically look at all the information I have in front of me and have no clue how to process it all quick enough to matter.



I had a corp mate back when I was in Atlas Alliance who reported having the same real life issue and it caused him problem in game. What we did with him was got him to train for cruiser and battle cruisers and learn how to use the ones with defensive bonuses. His favorite became the Maller.

It wasn't fast, and he still died, but with the fit we had him use it took a whole for people to kill it, giving him enough time to process what all was going on and many times he'd fight his way out of situations where other folks might have gotten blown up. If you have a problem with freezing up but want to pvp, learn to use and fit up ships that don't die quickly and don't rely on speed, just like he did.
somedudeinaship
Star Whorz
#187 - 2014-11-12 15:33:28 UTC  |  Edited by: somedudeinaship
Jenn aSide wrote:
somedudeinaship wrote:
One of the biggest problems I have is a feeling of being overwhelmed and freezing up. This is likely due to being depressed and anxious irl of course. But frankly all that information on the overview, and then not knowing how to tell what direction they are moving (despite some people apparently putting the camera on the enemy ship which would confuse me even more), and more just gets so damn confusing.

I tried using an arty fit Rifter with a very low skilled (710k) pilot and I couldn't hit the Kestrel I was trying to attack. I am guessing it's due to poor turret tracking and artillery sucking inside brawling range???

But freezing up really sucks. I basically look at all the information I have in front of me and have no clue how to process it all quick enough to matter.



I had a corp mate back when I was in Atlas Alliance who reported having the same real life issue and it caused him problem in game. What we did with him was got him to train for cruiser and battle cruisers and learn how to use the ones with defensive bonuses. His favorite became the Maller.

It wasn't fast, and he still died, but with the fit we had him use it took a whole for people to kill it, giving him enough time to process what all was going on and many times he'd fight his way out of situations where other folks might have gotten blown up. If you have a problem with freezing up but want to pvp, learn to use and fit up ships that don't die quickly and don't rely on speed, just like he did.



Funny you say that because I have had some success with cruisers. Seems frigate pilots love to attack anything, even a cruiser, which makes for slightly easier kills if you can catch them or slow them down enough to take chunks out of their ships hp.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#188 - 2014-11-12 16:53:56 UTC  |  Edited by: 13kr1d1
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:

2. By the time you can access your instaundock after undocking, sebo T3 ships have already locked and shot you, by virtue of the fact that you'll show up on grid before you actually load on your client side.

cheers for showing us all you are in no way experienced enough to call for anything more than a pizza.

undock...Shocked...ctrl-space...dock....Coolblow raspberrys in local.


That only tells me that you've got no clue. Been shot at by station camping T3s while trying to undock many times. They lock on the moment you're out of invincibility state and able to warp off, and often the grid loads AFTER that state has disappeared. Keep talking like a fool though.

Jvpiter wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
1. An alt is another account. So you're saying pay more money to actually play the game, or maybe to carebear by avoiding risk by throwing real world money at the situation?


Did you see I mentioned a corpie? Do you have friends in EVE? Do you think it's too much to ask for you to scout with an alt on the same account? Is it more tedious than dying with 90% certainty?


It sounds like to me you are not familiar with all your options for avoiding certain death, and are frustrated by your experience. I sympathize, but you need to start exploring smarter ways to tackle simple setups like a gatecamp or station camp.



Quote:
2. By the time you can access your instaundock after undocking, sebo T3 ships have already locked and shot you, by virtue of the fact that you'll show up on grid before you actually load on your client side.


Owen Levanth's reply mentions exactly how to avoid this. Are you not aware of invulnerability timer on undock? Don't mash the warp button soon as you emerge. It's the worst thing you can do.



You cant log into an account twice. Invuln timer only works if grid loads before it wears off. Sebo T3s can still insta-lock you even if you can catch the timer. I've actually HAD this happen.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#189 - 2014-11-12 17:02:40 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:

2. By the time you can access your instaundock after undocking, sebo T3 ships have already locked and shot you, by virtue of the fact that you'll show up on grid before you actually load on your client side.

cheers for showing us all you are in no way experienced enough to call for anything more than a pizza.

undock...Shocked...ctrl-space...dock....Coolblow raspberrys in local.


That only tells me that you've got no clue. Been shot at by station camping T3s while trying to undock many times. They lock on the moment you're out of invincibility state and able to warp off, and often the grid loads AFTER that state has disappeared. Keep talking like a fool though.

if this is happening to you then use an instant undock, you are uncatchable if you do it properly.
if the grid loads after the state has cleared
then i recommend upgrading from an abacus to a potato because none of us have this issue
(budget potato user reporting in btw)

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Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#190 - 2014-11-12 17:05:02 UTC
->Jumps into lowsec
->Jumps into gate camped system without scouting

There's the problem. Yes, you'll die if you jump into a common entry to lowsec or chokepoint. Try something more out of the way. Kubinen for example has people who roam in there but barely ever camp. (Although it's a pocket) Akidagi is sometimes camped but not constantly since it has no station in the system. (IE people can't base there) Also Ihakana, Otsasai and Jan aren't camped much. Bunch of other pretty deserted places to enter lowsec in The Forge like Osaa, Eruka, Ohkunen, etc.

And don't get me started on Khanid lowsec. That's like the most deserted place in the game.

Almost all lowsec is interconnected. The least safe part of travel is getting into lowsec. After that it's almost as safe as empire space if you aren't autopiloting and ur in something smaller than a cruiser.

TunDraGon ~ Low sec piracy since 2003 ~ Youtube ~ Join Us
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#191 - 2014-11-12 17:06:31 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
Invuln timer only works if grid loads before it wears off.


You keep mentioning something like this. What kind of connection are you playing on, what kind of hardware? Because let me tell you, if you aren't loading grid till after that long ass invul timer is up, you've got a real problem on your end.

But that still means the problem is on your end. Either you have some seriously bad computer problems are you're seriously incompetent when it comes to low sec gameplay.

I play in low sec a lot. I use the MWD+cloak trick to get past gate camps with a MACHARIEL. I have multiple insta-undock bookmarks at every station I use. I've NEVER bee caught undocking when warping to an insta, not once. It's not hard, lots of people do it every day.
Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#192 - 2014-11-12 17:10:01 UTC
I love Lowsec because NO BUBBLES!
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#193 - 2014-11-12 17:11:36 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
Invuln timer only works if grid loads before it wears off.


You keep mentioning something like this. What kind of connection are you playing on, what kind of hardware? Because let me tell you, if you aren't loading grid till after that long ass invul timer is up, you've got a real problem on your end.

i never had this issue playing on a 2011 two-hundred-dollar laptop from australia
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#194 - 2014-11-12 17:13:29 UTC
the enchange rate is basically one downundadolla to one freedombuck btw
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#195 - 2014-11-12 17:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jvpiter
13kr1d1 wrote:
You cant log into an account twice. Invuln timer only works if grid loads before it wears off. Sebo T3s can still insta-lock you even if you can catch the timer. I've actually HAD this happen.


if your scouting alt is on the same account then you have to log in, scout, log off, log in, warp, etc. Gate camps don't appear in a matter of seconds, and certainly not surprising in any way if you can read Local beforehand.

You can argue about how tedious this might be, but my point is that it's better than losing an expensive ship.



Regarding getting killed on the undock:

*) I have a hard time believing your grid not loading in *30 seconds*. If what you are saying is true then troubleshoot your computer and your network connection, and file a ticket if nothing on your end is at fault. Have you done any of these things?

*) A fleetmate can be waiting in a safe in the same system. Upon undock he can mash fleet warp and you should be in warp without the need for the grid to load on your end.


I feel like your approach to the problem is one dimensional. This, more than anything, may be at fault for your ship losses.

Call me Joe.
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#196 - 2014-11-12 18:01:08 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
the enchange rate is basically one downundadolla to one freedombuck btw


We just deal in spacebucks here, you filthy scammer.

Call me Joe.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#197 - 2014-11-12 18:13:10 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
Invuln timer only works if grid loads before it wears off.


You keep mentioning something like this. What kind of connection are you playing on, what kind of hardware? Because let me tell you, if you aren't loading grid till after that long ass invul timer is up, you've got a real problem on your end.

i never had this issue playing on a 2011 two-hundred-dollar laptop from australia


I never had this issue playing on a 2008 laptop that didn't even meet the minimum system requirements. Someone has a serious computer issue, or connection latency from hell.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#198 - 2014-11-12 18:44:23 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
Undocking from a station is an insta-loss when there's a sebo around. By the time the grid loads and you have control of your ship, you're already locked.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Next you'll say that a sensor booster allows the nasty people to lock you INSIDE THE STATION! Oh noes, the baddies killed me while I was spinning my ship! Even got the counter to 992... then... boom!


Seriously, we all had to learn stuff and we're all still learning. So ask somebody that actually knows game mechanics before jumping to conclusions.


FWIW:

1. Undock
2. Don't touch anything
3. Your ship will be going full speed ahead
4. You will be invulnerable for exactly 30 seconds. Invulnerable means both unlockable AND UNBUMPABLE (try it in Jita)
5. Warp to a bookmark directly in front of you (you have to prepare it first, obviously)
6. Ship warps instantly
7. If you do this, nothing will ever lock you, including sebos, magic wands, aliens and those wonderful unicorns we have in lowsec

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#199 - 2014-11-12 18:55:26 UTC
tl:dr for the entire thread:

If you are going to LOLSec for solo PvE, don't. You will spend 95% of your time evading PvP and while it can be done, you didn't go there to play Evade PvP.
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#200 - 2014-11-12 19:05:51 UTC
Ocih wrote:
tl:dr for the entire thread:

If you are going to LOLSec for solo PvE, don't. You will spend 95% of your time evading PvP and while it can be done, you didn't go there to play Evade PvP.


Yes I did. That's my favorite game!

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