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Why I don't go to lowsec.

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Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#161 - 2014-11-11 17:49:52 UTC


Veers,

If people have easy access to ISK it's likely that the value of currency as a resource will decrease. This means that people are more willing to spend, and when they do spend they will fork out more ISK for things such as PLEX, the gold standard of EVE commodities.


This is not to say that supply and demand don't play a part.

I'm not sure it makes sense to deny the impact of an excess of ISK on inflation, defined as the devaluation of said currency.

Call me Joe.

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#162 - 2014-11-11 18:07:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Veers Belvar
Jvpiter wrote:


Veers,

If people have easy access to ISK it's likely that the value of currency as a resource will decrease. This means that people are more willing to spend, and when they do spend they will fork out more ISK for things such as PLEX, the gold standard of EVE commodities.


This is not to say that supply and demand don't play a part.

I'm not sure it makes sense to deny the impact of an excess of ISK on inflation, defined as the devaluation of said currency.


Sure, if the folks here were correct and Eve was being flooded with ISK (of course it would mainly be from bounties, NOT incursions), we would definitely expect Plex to inflate. BUT SO WOULD EVERY OTHER COMMODITY. So you will need to come up with a theory of why Plex is inflating, but everything else is deflating, which is entirely consistent with excessive mining, but totally inconsistent with Isk flooding.

I mean you could perform a careful economic analysis and justify that result...which would be hard to do....or you could just point and yell INCURSIONS INCURSIONS. It's your choice.
Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#163 - 2014-11-11 18:14:46 UTC
you did it wrong.

First, check the map for the lowsec systems you'll be going through, more than a few pilots? risk isn't worth it.

Second MWD+Cloak, or even better cov ops cloak. If you can't do either, well you're a wreck waiting to happen.

Those two things alone make you damned hard to kill in lowsec.

Third, never just directly jump through the highsec->lowsec gate, warp to 0 make sure there's not someone sitting there, then jump. If someone is sitting there they are a scout for the gate camp on the other side.

Fourth, NEVER and I mean NEVER expect the computer to do something for you. If you want it done right do it yourself (jump selection)

Fifth, when jumping into low use your gate cloak (30 seconds I think it is) to evaluate the situation. All clear? keep going. Gate camp? either keep going (if you think you can get away) or try to burn back to the gate.

I feel safer going to lowsec these days than going to a market hub. All kinds of crazy people there trying to gank you.
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#164 - 2014-11-11 18:18:28 UTC

I think the objection to incursions is the ungodly amount of ISK available at little to no risk from PVP.


However, I can't imagine incursions won't be farmed no matter what security space they are moved to. Without CONCORD we would simply see oligarchical control of incursion sites inside which people will be operating risk free.

Call me Joe.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#165 - 2014-11-11 18:31:04 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:

I think the objection to incursions is the ungodly amount of ISK available at little to no risk from PVP.


However, I can't imagine incursions won't be farmed no matter what security space they are moved to. Without CONCORD we would simply see oligarchical control of incursion sites inside which people will be operating risk free.

risk free ish
NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#166 - 2014-11-11 20:02:56 UTC
Mharius Skjem wrote:
You obviously lack experience, you need to check the map and learn how to move around in low sec.

lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you are doing.

These kinds of posts always amuse me. "Lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you're doing".
Well, driving your car is as safe as sitting on your couch if you know what you are doing. Until you get blasted in the ass by the truck driver who fell asleep at the wheel.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#167 - 2014-11-11 20:17:57 UTC
I'm always mystified by people staying away from something in Eve just because it's dangerous. Back when I started, something similar like it is described in the OP happened to me.

The difference is, I found it exciting and fun. So I guess different people, different tastes, eh?
Bullock Brawn
Doomheim
#168 - 2014-11-12 03:17:16 UTC
The thing is, the ISK all works out the same for Null, Low, High..

High Sec = Low Stress Sec
Low Sec = Gang Sec
Null Sec = Lonely Sec

All Sec's allow you to buy anything in game... it's just how you enjoy playing.


Just use a Free ship and visit as many low sec systems you can without getting blown up... Rinse and Repeat, then you'll get better at getting around town.
Yasique Gautier
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2014-11-12 07:39:52 UTC
I dont go to low-sec because it costs.
Lost ship, lost implants, then mine at belts a week all items back.
I dont want to sacrifice my time, efforts and posessions to someone's fun while I left to mine asteroids.
Pleople who saying "making low-sec more fun" are hypocrites, they want more not-so-experienced players to go in so they can kill them and have fun.
You not going to make fun at my expense, nope nope nope. Fly your empty space alone.
Cpt Lift-Leg Ahab
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#170 - 2014-11-12 07:53:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Lift-Leg Ahab
[quote=I am a Brave Newbie ... I live in Null. And so can you.
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me too i am new to null. i have had more fun there than i ever had in high sec so many people to fleet up with. you should send a app over to brave!
7o fly reckless
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#171 - 2014-11-12 08:03:19 UTC
Yasique Gautier wrote:
I dont go to low-sec because it costs.
Lost ship, lost implants, then mine at belts a week all items back.
I dont want to sacrifice my time, efforts and posessions to someone's fun while I left to mine asteroids.
Pleople who saying "making low-sec more fun" are hypocrites, they want more not-so-experienced players to go in so they can kill them and have fun.
You not going to make fun at my expense, nope nope nope. Fly your empty space alone.


Jump into a implant free clone. Buy a frigate. Fit it with web. warp disruptor. mwd. guns. damage mods.

I can mine enough to afford to do that in 30 minutes in a Venture in a 2 week old alt.
The Tomonator
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2014-11-12 09:02:34 UTC
Leoric Firesword wrote:
you did it wrong.

Fifth, when jumping into low use your gate cloak (30 seconds I think it is) to evaluate the situation. All clear? keep going. Gate camp? either keep going (if you think you can get away) or try to burn back to the gate.



you forgot the third option ... align to the nearest thing you're already vaguely aligned to, 'or' the thing that will align you 'away' from the gate (whichever is going to direct you away from the gate more) ... hit MWD/AB, and then cloak ... in as few milliseconds as possible ... once yopu're aligned, and still cloaed, keep going as long as you can ... as soon as they start getting to close to you, or put out drones, de-cloak, and hit warp. :)
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#173 - 2014-11-12 11:16:47 UTC
Yasique Gautier wrote:
I dont go to low-sec because it costs.
Lost ship, lost implants, then mine at belts a week all items back.
I dont want to sacrifice my time, efforts and posessions to someone's fun while I left to mine asteroids.
Pleople who saying "making low-sec more fun" are hypocrites, they want more not-so-experienced players to go in so they can kill them and have fun.
You not going to make fun at my expense, nope nope nope. Fly your empty space alone.


Too bad for you. Luckily as an explorer, I seldom lose one of my stealthy ships.

Even with a wild PVP-adventure for some video project, a cov-ops lost thanks to me taking a rather obvious bait, a Stratios lost because I ignored my own scout-report and just jumped into a gigantic Russian gatecamp somewhere in Catch I think I've still lost more ships doing just PVE.

Mining however is something I've tried and stopped pretty fast. It's boring as ****. My industry-alt has mining skills, though: It's sometimes easier to just jump into a wormhole, mine out some high-end minerals and jump back than buying and transporting everything back to base.

And holy **** can the Prospect take a punch, most of the time I can just mine until I'm full even with several Sleepers pummeling my shields like mad. P
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#174 - 2014-11-12 11:23:55 UTC
Mharius Skjem wrote:
You obviously lack experience, you need to check the map and learn how to move around in low sec.

lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you are doing.


That's pretty much a lie. A gatecamp is a sure loss. If you're the first person of today's kill, then you're not going to see ships destroyed in the map.

Undocking from a station is an insta-loss when there's a sebo around. By the time the grid loads and you have control of your ship, you're already locked.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices

Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#175 - 2014-11-12 11:31:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Owen Levanth
13kr1d1 wrote:
Mharius Skjem wrote:
You obviously lack experience, you need to check the map and learn how to move around in low sec.

lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you are doing.


That's pretty much a lie. A gatecamp is a sure loss. If you're the first person of today's kill, then you're not going to see ships destroyed in the map.

Undocking from a station is an insta-loss when there's a sebo around. By the time the grid loads and you have control of your ship, you're already locked.


This is so wrong it's funny.

First off, I've survived many gatecamps and died in several other gatecamps, so it's obviously not a sure loss. Even if you're totally unlucky and really the first person finding them, you can still survive if your skills are better then their skills. Case closed.

Undocking also isn't an insta-loss. Just make sure you have some bookmarks for insta-warp. And make sure your grid is loaded before you do anything: For a short time after leaving the station you're invincible. And if it looks like you won't get away, just don't panic, wait a few seconds and dock up before you've drifted to far away. (The waiting period is necessary because trying to redock makes you vulnerable again, but if you are too fast, the command fails. Then you're a sitting duck for a second before the server can process your next attempt at docking.)
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#176 - 2014-11-12 13:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jvpiter
13kr1d1 wrote:
That's pretty much a lie. A gatecamp is a sure loss. If you're the first person of today's kill, then you're not going to see ships destroyed in the map.



Use an alt or a corpie as a scout. I'm not sure how it's possible to encounter a gate camp if you are using one.



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Undocking from a station is an insta-loss when there's a sebo around. By the time the grid loads and you have control of your ship, you're already locked.


Undock. Hit ctrl+space. Survey your surroundings while you are invulnerable. You can dock back up and go do something else if you don't like what you see.


And why would you ever operate without an instaundock?

Call me Joe.

13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#177 - 2014-11-12 13:56:06 UTC  |  Edited by: 13kr1d1
Jvpiter wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
That's pretty much a lie. A gatecamp is a sure loss. If you're the first person of today's kill, then you're not going to see ships destroyed in the map.



Use an alt or a corpie as a scout. I'm not sure how it's possible to encounter a gate camp if you are using one.



Quote:
Undocking from a station is an insta-loss when there's a sebo around. By the time the grid loads and you have control of your ship, you're already locked.


Undock. Hit ctrl+space. Survey your surroundings while you are invulnerable. You can dock back up and go do something else if you don't like what you see.


And why would you ever operate without an instaundock?


1. An alt is another account. So you're saying pay more money to actually play the game, or maybe to carebear by avoiding risk by throwing real world money at the situation?

2. By the time you can access your instaundock after undocking, sebo T3 ships have already locked and shot you, by virtue of the fact that you'll show up on grid before you actually load on your client side.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#178 - 2014-11-12 13:57:57 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:

That's pretty much a lie. A gatecamp is a sure loss. If you're the first person of today's kill, then you're not going to see ships destroyed in the map.


Nevermind the odds of that actually happening are hilariously unlikely, but the basic point is completely untrue to begin with. A gatecamp is not a "sure loss" in any way.

Travel fit. Learn to love it.

Quote:

Undocking from a station is an insta-loss when there's a sebo around. By the time the grid loads and you have control of your ship, you're already locked.


Another lie from you. They can't even target you at that point, and you should have an insta undock ready in such a situation anyway.

If you genuinely are being killed on an undock before you load grid, then I suggest upgrading your router to the Potato 2.0. The original version is starting to show it's age.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#179 - 2014-11-12 14:04:03 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
2. By the time you can access your instaundock after undocking, sebo T3 ships have already locked and shot you, by virtue of the fact that you'll show up on grid before you actually load on your client side.

absolute bollocks
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2014-11-12 14:10:09 UTC
Dude, lowsec is freaking awesome. Just head down there and announce in local that you're hauling some deadspace modules to a friend but you've heard something about a "NBSI" doctrine and would someone kindly come along and demonstrate it?

You'd be amazed at the number of people that will stop everything they're doing to come and help you out with that.