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How does DISHONORING RANSOMS make you feel?

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Serene Repose
#41 - 2014-11-12 07:40:09 UTC
Rhiannon Marius wrote:
Why has this person not been forum banned yet? To think people complain about NPC posters with this going on on.
With this thread, and the OP's "replies" I have to agree, what grace of divinity is allowing this "person" to remain on this forum? Have "we" totally lost our minds at last?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#42 - 2014-11-12 09:14:16 UTC
OP is the reason why I never ever would pay a ransom up front. The more you do it, the less ransoms you will get as less people will pay. I'd say for a viable income you're better off actually honoring it - but obviously you seem more after the reaction of first stealing their ISK then kick them in the balls.

But to answer your question it makes me feel you will whine when people stop paying you, and most likely say there's no trust in EVE... Smile

/c

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Dave Stark
#43 - 2014-11-12 09:21:35 UTC
there's no incentive for me to ever honour a ransom.

so, i'd never honour one, or pay one.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#44 - 2014-11-12 09:21:52 UTC
Dunno, because I rather die then pay any sort of ransoms and I have died because of the said ransoms not being paid.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#45 - 2014-11-12 09:53:24 UTC
Eh. I don't always offer ransoms, but when I do I honor them.
I've also paid them in the past and had them honored.
It's just good business if you do any piratin' at all to be honest. If you develop a rep for taking the money and still doing the bloody murder anyways, well, you're likely to see a steady decline in those that are willing to pay over time.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
ISD Atomic Dove
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#46 - 2014-11-12 10:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Atomic Dove
I've cleared a rule breaking post up.

Keep it classy folks.



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ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#47 - 2014-11-12 10:10:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ggodhsup
ISD Atomic Dove wrote:
I've cleared a rule breaking post up.

Keep it classy folks.



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i get the feeling our OP went a little nuts again....either way i wont pay, or be paid....i just do the deed.....and its not about how it makes me feel.

but how it makes you feel.

this is honestly the most entertainment ive had all day.......and to the OP if you are "soloing" players still new enough to pay ransoms, how are you any better than a 20 man KM?

EDIT: i meant "awoxing"
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#48 - 2014-11-12 10:50:37 UTC
There is only one thing that makes me feel more warm and fuzzy inside than not honoring a ransom.

That would be when I get them to pay a ransom, then eject from their ship and go get a rookie ship from station and come back for a "trophy kill". Then I get their ransom, their ship, a rookie ship kill, then tackle their pod and ask for another ransom. If I time it right their LE is expired when they get back with the rookie ship, so I convince them to set their safety to red and attack me, which gets me a killright out of the deal to boot.

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Angel Summoner
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#49 - 2014-11-12 11:11:15 UTC
Persifonne wrote:


Id say 65% of people pay immediately. 20% wont ever pay and 20% pay after increased pressure.



I once fell into the 20% who paid after increased pressure. I was of course immediately blown up so now I'm firmly in the 20% who'll never pay.

It won't be long before 100% never pay, and only the remaining 5% will fall for it.... Big smile
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2014-11-12 11:24:36 UTC
Not honoring ransoms does hurt the ransom market. Some people just like to see the world burn though, and make a little isk while doing it I suppose.


I honor my ransoms because I want people to pay them every time. I suppose its bad on the carebears that I have clients who keep coming back to me and getting caught, but I stay around the same areas, and as long as I honor those ransoms I get isk almost every time.

If I want to kill for the sake of killing, I go pvping, not ransoming people in bling ships, but to each their own :)
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#51 - 2014-11-12 11:37:21 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Persifonne wrote:
Eldwinn swriously bro go pvp without 39 of your friends amd baiting and blobing. I am better than you. I solo. You 40v1 and 20v1. You suck. I would bang ya mom but shes prob a hepitites stricken ho


This is why i don't look forward with relish to the connection of a FPS to my spaecships game.
Torrents of filth spewing from incoherent larvae are a drain.

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Agatir Solenth
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2014-11-12 11:52:02 UTC
I don't have any feelings regarding this subject, only opinions.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#53 - 2014-11-12 12:05:10 UTC
From a classical POV, you are a mistake.

On another note, you go as prey for me, so all is good.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#54 - 2014-11-12 12:45:19 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Its not done to me, i do not pay ransoms.
Do not fly what you can't effort to lose.
And not flying into situations where someone can demand ransoms.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#55 - 2014-11-12 12:51:31 UTC
Xavier Holtzman wrote:
So what you guys are saying is that this pub blows 105% of the capsuleers he/she/it meets? Thats a lot of blowin'.


she's a real pro with all that training!
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#56 - 2014-11-12 12:51:47 UTC
Chribba wrote:
OP is the reason why I never ever would pay a ransom up front. The more you do it, the less ransoms you will get as less people will pay. I'd say for a viable income you're better off actually honouring it - but obviously you seem more after the reaction of first stealing their ISK then kick them in the balls.

But to answer your question it makes me feel you will whine when people stop paying you, and most likely say there's no trust in EVE... Smile

/c


You know what'd be very cool; a third party web service for ransoms.

I've thought about how one might work before but I couldn't think of a good answer to the logistics of confirming the release of the captured party and the speed of which the transactions need to occur.

#devfleet

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embrel
BamBam Inc.
#57 - 2014-11-12 12:53:58 UTC
Persifonne wrote:
Xavier Holtzman wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
why are twelve year olds even allowed on the internet?


I don't know, but Eldwinn definitely gets a gold star for whipping this pubbie into a frothing rage.



Gold star cuz its only thing in his eve career he did solo with a 40man blob


you blow 40man blobs too? gang-blow?
Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#58 - 2014-11-12 13:17:35 UTC
ggodhsup wrote:


this is honestly the most entertainment ive had all day.......


I go to sleep, wake up in the morning, and this thread is still here and unlocked.

It's a good day for GD.

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#59 - 2014-11-12 13:20:14 UTC
Adira Nictor wrote:
Not honoring ransoms does hurt the ransom market.


There's no such thing as a "ransom market."

If someone is foolish enough to get themselves in a position where they are being held for ransom it is extremely unlikely that they have heard of you or your reputation, or that there is even such a thing as ransoming in Eve and the honoring or not honoring thereof. And if you're doing it right you don't give them time to research the subject either.

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#60 - 2014-11-12 13:26:01 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
Chribba wrote:
OP is the reason why I never ever would pay a ransom up front. The more you do it, the less ransoms you will get as less people will pay. I'd say for a viable income you're better off actually honouring it - but obviously you seem more after the reaction of first stealing their ISK then kick them in the balls.

But to answer your question it makes me feel you will whine when people stop paying you, and most likely say there's no trust in EVE... Smile

/c


You know what'd be very cool; a third party web service for ransoms.

I've thought about how one might work before but I couldn't think of a good answer to the logistics of confirming the release of the captured party and the speed of which the transactions need to occur.

#devfleet


Indeed it's the speed of things that's really the main issue. Sure one could get down to a minute API refresh with some tweaks, but then at the same time how to verify that the person was released and not blown up by some alt... CCP could do it with some non-aggro timer sorta like Dueling but the opposite way I guess.

But again, it's the speed that is the problem, just as I'd want to protect the randomee I would need to protect the ransomer. Tricky tricky.

/c

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