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Elite: Dangerous v EVE

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#121 - 2014-11-12 07:49:10 UTC
Mharius Skjem wrote:
Freakdevil wrote:
I welcome the addition of any new space game as it boosts interest in EVE and the space genre.
Personally I haven't followed the game's development but you have peaked my interest.

If Elite could copy EVE's economy and territory system, eliminate the gate camping and provide combat like X3 then yes it would or at least could severely impact EVE. But can or will it do that? I would love to see it try. I would love to see any game try. Been waiting for years for that.





I can't see that being a problem, as the origin elite game in the 80's did all of the above, though due to the limitations of technology back then it was single player.

In many ways eve is a direct successor of elite. Elite was the game I was looking for in spirit when I signed up for eve back in 2007, so Elite is a big deal for me.

Also with a small budget, they've delivered a playable game for the beta. Everyone is still waiting for star citizen which is heading in the right direction to be the world's most expensive vapour ware, so well done to the people over at ED.


It doesn't hurt E:D that a sequel to Frontier was in development since 16 years ago...
Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#122 - 2014-11-12 21:18:32 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Mharius Skjem wrote:
Freakdevil wrote:
I welcome the addition of any new space game as it boosts interest in EVE and the space genre.
Personally I haven't followed the game's development but you have peaked my interest.

If Elite could copy EVE's economy and territory system, eliminate the gate camping and provide combat like X3 then yes it would or at least could severely impact EVE. But can or will it do that? I would love to see it try. I would love to see any game try. Been waiting for years for that.





I can't see that being a problem, as the origin elite game in the 80's did all of the above, though due to the limitations of technology back then it was single player.

In many ways eve is a direct successor of elite. Elite was the game I was looking for in spirit when I signed up for eve back in 2007, so Elite is a big deal for me.

Also with a small budget, they've delivered a playable game for the beta. Everyone is still waiting for star citizen which is heading in the right direction to be the world's most expensive vapour ware, so well done to the people over at ED.


It doesn't hurt E:D that a sequel to Frontier was in development since 16 years ago...



I think there was a legal battle that held everything up for quite a few years. Once that was settled Elite 4 was announced but it migrated into Elite Dangerous.

A recovering btter vet,  with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...

Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#123 - 2014-11-13 23:08:51 UTC
I was almost interested in E:D, until I noticed they want people to PAY to beta test it.

That's not how this works, you greedy scumsuckers; take your paid beta and shove it where the sun don't shine. Won't buy the game when it's released, either.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#124 - 2014-11-13 23:17:18 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
I was almost interested in E:D, until I noticed they want people to PAY to beta test it.

That's not how this works, you greedy scumsuckers; take your paid beta and shove it where the sun don't shine. Won't buy the game when it's released, either.


Oh yes, how do they dare to make a whole new MMO on a shoestring budget? Are they aware that they're developing a game whose universe dwarves that of EVE Online for something like 1 month worth of income for CCP? And they ask money for developing it? How indignant!
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#125 - 2014-11-13 23:41:45 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
I was almost interested in E:D, until I noticed they want people to PAY to beta test it.

That's not how this works, you greedy scumsuckers; take your paid beta and shove it where the sun don't shine. Won't buy the game when it's released, either.


Oh yes, how do they dare to make a whole new MMO on a shoestring budget? Are they aware that they're developing a game whose universe dwarves that of EVE Online for something like 1 month worth of income for CCP? And they ask money for developing it? How indignant!


A beta is for testing. You allow players to test because they're working for you, not the other way around. Charging them for the privilege of squashing bugs and dealing with constant shifting of gameplay elements is just inexcusably greedy.

Then, you charge for the game when it's released. If it's good, people buy it and everyone wins.

I don't know what the **** has become so difficult about this lately.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#126 - 2014-11-14 01:13:59 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
I was almost interested in E:D, until I noticed they want people to PAY to beta test it.

That's not how this works, you greedy scumsuckers; take your paid beta and shove it where the sun don't shine. Won't buy the game when it's released, either.


Oh yes, how do they dare to make a whole new MMO on a shoestring budget? Are they aware that they're developing a game whose universe dwarves that of EVE Online for something like 1 month worth of income for CCP? And they ask money for developing it? How indignant!


A beta is for testing. You allow players to test because they're working for you, not the other way around. Charging them for the privilege of squashing bugs and dealing with constant shifting of gameplay elements is just inexcusably greedy.

Then, you charge for the game when it's released. If it's good, people buy it and everyone wins.

I don't know what the **** has become so difficult about this lately.


Go pick on Star Citizen. Those are the greedy devs. But I do kinda agree it does fell like double dipping when they charge extra for a beta.

I'd say just allow a preorder/kickstart backer to play the beta. That sounds pretty fair to me.


Also Indah:

I'd hardly call Elite a MMO. Also with Elites entire Galaxy It will probably feel quite empty while on multiplayer mode

-k8

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#127 - 2014-11-14 02:11:11 UTC
i have not researched but is ED going to be sharded or single server?

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#128 - 2014-11-14 02:53:03 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
i have not researched but is ED going to be sharded or single server?

Im not exactly sure how it works but all I know is that you don't have to choose a server.

-k8

My Fanclub
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#129 - 2014-11-14 14:06:33 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:


Also Indah:

I'd hardly call Elite a MMO. Also with Elites entire Galaxy It will probably feel quite empty while on multiplayer mode


"M" is for "Multiplayer", not "team playing" nor "swarm playing" or "herd playing".

Multiplayer games enable to play with others, but that's not (should not be) mandatory. And yes, I am aware of what crowd I am preaching to here...
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#130 - 2014-11-14 14:16:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Commissar Kate
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Commissar Kate wrote:


Also Indah:

I'd hardly call Elite a MMO. Also with Elites entire Galaxy It will probably feel quite empty while on multiplayer mode


"M" is for "Multiplayer", not "team playing" nor "swarm playing" or "herd playing".

Multiplayer games enable to play with others, but that's not (should not be) mandatory. And yes, I am aware of what crowd I am preaching to here...


I'll admit I have been playing Elite mostly on Solo mode but I have hopped onto multiplayer and Yarr'ed a few people. Also got blown up myself a few times. Kinda had a hard time finding people though.


I guess the point I was trying to get across is that there is probably not gonna be large groups of people in the same spot like we see in EvE.

-k8

My Fanclub
Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#131 - 2014-11-15 19:41:02 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
I was almost interested in E:D, until I noticed they want people to PAY to beta test it.

That's not how this works, you greedy scumsuckers; take your paid beta and shove it where the sun don't shine. Won't buy the game when it's released, either.


Oh yes, how do they dare to make a whole new MMO on a shoestring budget? Are they aware that they're developing a game whose universe dwarves that of EVE Online for something like 1 month worth of income for CCP? And they ask money for developing it? How indignant!


A beta is for testing. You allow players to test because they're working for you, not the other way around. Charging them for the privilege of squashing bugs and dealing with constant shifting of gameplay elements is just inexcusably greedy.

Then, you charge for the game when it's released. If it's good, people buy it and everyone wins.

I don't know what the **** has become so difficult about this lately.



You do get ingame goodies for being a beta tester.

Plus in the real world things cost money. I'd gladly pay CCP to beta test new features.

A recovering btter vet,  with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...

Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#132 - 2014-11-15 19:55:53 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Commissar Kate wrote:


Also Indah:

I'd hardly call Elite a MMO. Also with Elites entire Galaxy It will probably feel quite empty while on multiplayer mode


"M" is for "Multiplayer", not "team playing" nor "swarm playing" or "herd playing".

Multiplayer games enable to play with others, but that's not (should not be) mandatory. And yes, I am aware of what crowd I am preaching to here...


I'll admit I have been playing Elite mostly on Solo mode but I have hopped onto multiplayer and Yarr'ed a few people. Also got blown up myself a few times. Kinda had a hard time finding people though.


I guess the point I was trying to get across is that there is probably not gonna be large groups of people in the same spot like we see in EvE.


What concerns me mote about the real scale Milky Way is the effective range of exploration. Even while refueling as you go, at one point or another your cargohold will be full and the travel will end. Also, exploration at galactic scale rarely rewards in proportion to distance... but then i'm not the sightseeing kind so being the first to see this or that star really doesn't appeals to me.

Probably I'll stick to colonized universe, but i'm considering to buy the beta thing because they added new perks and they're interesting...
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#133 - 2014-11-15 20:29:38 UTC
Well I failed to realize I had a 30k bounty on my head in a certain starsystem and got blown up by the police while loosing about 80k credits worth of cargo. lol

You can bet your cake I wont do that again...

-k8

My Fanclub
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#134 - 2014-11-15 21:13:06 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Well I failed to realize I had a 30k bounty on my head in a certain starsystem and got blown up by the police while loosing about 80k credits worth of cargo. lol

You can bet your cake I wont do that again...


Come on, don't they teach you the basics these days?
Ian Morbius
Potomac Greeting Card Company
#135 - 2014-11-15 21:52:26 UTC
This is great! "The title features both online and offline modes.," no wait a minute.

Elite: Dangerous Offline Mode Dropped, Hit With Community Backlash

"It appears that one feature mentioned in that campaign that won’t be making it into the full title is an offline mode."

Oh well,... the dream has ended. Now login. Lol
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#136 - 2014-11-16 12:37:37 UTC
Ian Morbius wrote:
This is great! "The title features both online and offline modes.," no wait a minute.

Elite: Dangerous Offline Mode Dropped, Hit With Community Backlash

"It appears that one feature mentioned in that campaign that won’t be making it into the full title is an offline mode."

Oh well,... the dream has ended. Now login. Lol


FDEV are making the best Elite game they can for an initial release after 2 years of development. To make the best Elite game, they need at least 4 years. They don't have the money for it (never did), so from the start they have split development to an initial release and then paid expansions (not horse armor DLC, full old school expansions) that will enhance and deepen the experience. The goal for the initial launch was always to have the basics in, and - most importantly - the canvas/platform to seamlessly and without code rewrites iterate on them and add additional feature sets.

Thats one of the reasons that FDEV are hiring staff like mad 1 month before release instead of getting ready to sack a big portion of the ED team right after that.

What they have delivered so far is in the eye of the beholder. I don't know about you, but putting on a good pair of headphones and using my HOTAS on this game provides a gameplay experience that I have not seen in years. And will only get better when I get my rift...XD

Now, regarding the single player offline module. My biggest gripe with it is simply cutting out modding support completely from the game. I was looking forward to the (far) future for a different single player offline experience, with modded ships from FE2/FFE, an FE2 flight model, the return of the Star dreamer etc etc. It seems that it wont be possible now..or ever to do it. Sure, thats like saying that I wanted to play another game than what FDEV are making. I don't mean that, I really think though that cutting off all modding support from the games' stem is not a good deal for anyone..remember that we fans have carried the torch for almost two decades now! (Oolite, Pioneer, FFE3DAJ etc etc).

Moreover, offline mode has been promised, verified and expanded upon by both David Braben and Michael Brookes in the KS. There are a lot of people that have ONLY pledged for the offline mode, and most of them are of course Elite Veterans, since the other Elite games are single player offline also.

All in all, a pretty bad development.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#137 - 2014-11-16 13:59:48 UTC
Ian Morbius wrote:
This is great! "The title features both online and offline modes.," no wait a minute.

Elite: Dangerous Offline Mode Dropped, Hit With Community Backlash

"It appears that one feature mentioned in that campaign that won’t be making it into the full title is an offline mode."

Oh well,... the dream has ended. Now login. Lol


The ball is rolling bigger and bigger. Liqua, the top backer of E:D who bought the single 5,000 GBP stretch reward (naming a Founders system) has asked a refund.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#138 - 2014-11-16 15:17:18 UTC
Is offline mode the same thing as solo mode?

Bacon makes us stronger
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#139 - 2014-11-16 17:06:37 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Is offline mode the same thing as solo mode?


No. Solo mode is online but nobody else in your instance. Offline mode was the ability to play offline with only perodical synchronizations to the persistent universe.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#140 - 2014-11-17 14:27:52 UTC
So I'm reading all the articles and that MASSIVE threadnaught on the forums about this and I'm wondering: Is ED still gonna kill EVE? Twisted