EVE General Discussion

I was reading the lore around capsules and clones, and had a question. It is described that a 'snapshot' of the brain having to be taken at the moment of death for a new clone to be activated, and that the pod serves that function.

Does that mean that if a capsuleer is say, stabbed in station while eating dinner, he/she dies for good?

"The crucial element in the process relies on a brain-scan snapshot being taken at the precise time of death and transmitted to the waiting clone"

"the instant the egg begins to crack, two things happen: the wire-cap on the pilot’s head injects an instantly lethal nanotoxin into his bloodstream and the scanner sends its piercing light into his skull. Scarce seconds later, he begins the muddy climb towards consciousness in a new body, light years away."

Quotes taken from https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Capsule_and_the_Clone

There is a slow scan method that allows to put the recipient into stasis when doing the scan and not fry the brain in the process. This would in theory allow a capsuleer to maintain a backup while being ambulatory to which they can fall back should they get stabbed in the back. Though they would lose all memory from between they doing the scan and waking up in the clone bay.

I think it would make for an interesting story of a capsuleer trying to retrace his steps to find out what happened, who killed him and why.

reagrding the DUST clones vs. Capsule clones:

As i recall in the stories I've read (I believe it was the second Eve novel) pod clones use a large system to take a last minute snapshot and shoot it to a relay. This module is specific to the pod so it does not follow a capsuleer out of pod (not a big deal since the damn door wont open so we can leave).

Dust Clone implants are directly removed from bodies found inside sleeper structures, so their inner fundctions aren't understood well. They are implanted early in the cloning process and become a functioning part of the brain. It links up somewhere and is constantly updating all other clones connected. So when you die, you see the light and then wake up again. In fact, in the story I read, Empress Jamil is one of the recipients of the DUST implants, which aqcuired unknowingly during a rigged jump clone transfer by a trusted subordinate. Story also mentions some issues she experiences with the implants and a sudden realization of the bigger picture (hope thats not a spoiler).

The pod goo is our dinner. I choose to wash it down with some Quafe afterwards, all from the comfort of my capsule.


Do you honestly think a demigod waits at a restaurant table for a cut of steak?

The lore though is going to have to change again. As Valk pilots will use a different type of cloning, and with ccp making the "four levels of consciousness" if this comes into being, we will be able to switch bodies (games) via one login. That again means lore will have change,

According to the original lore we were sealed in our pods forever. Opening a pod would kill the clone inside.

Then CCP decided to have "walking in stations" and threw the lore out of the window. Then the players revolted against such a radical game change at a time where several critical flaws in the game were not being addressed at all, so "walking in stations" was frozen at the current level, where you can "leave your pod" to go to your captain's quarters. Nobody bothered to update the lore or integrate this new ability, which explains the current situation. Take the lore (or the game) with a pinch of salt.

Just use a nanite injector before your timer runs out. They should available in most stations.


"The nanite injector delivers an active helix directly into the bloodstream of the downed victim, whereupon individual subunits work to suppress the pain response, repair tissue and organ damage and re-establish regular cardiac rhythm. If administered in time, first-phase resuscitation (defined as ‘minimum-essential combat functionality') is typically achievable, though some psychological trauma is to be expected."

same way communications (chat) is sent?

The early cloning tech was limited to capsules due to its size. I'd imagine that with miniaturisation and the addition of Sleeper technology the whole lot fits in an implant in the back of your head so you can take it wherever you go.

My first PC was a hulking brute with a 12MHz processor and now I have a phone that's 100th the size and a million times more powerful that I mainly use as an alarm clock. Isn't progress great!

To clarify a few things:

CCP didn't suddenly 'decide' to allow us to leave the pod; way back before Incarnage, the players repeatedly expressed their interest in station interiors and other non-ship-related things. CCP responded with 'we'll see what we can do, but it's not on the radar for the present'.

During Incarna's development/launch, a series of bad decisions were made, culminating in the sadly underwhelming and botched introduction of the Captain's Quarters, and CCP backed away from the idea of station interiors while they tried to figure out how to repair the damage that the Monoclegate/Greed is Good/Incarnage debacle caused.

The players weren't angry at the radical changes, per se -- we were annoyed and offended because we were promised station interiors, and after 18 months of focused development, all we were given was a single room in space and several ugly PR blunders.