Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It would move no faster than a carrier in nullsec and if used to jump about without cynos in lowsec, nullsec or when you have kill rights or are at war could have hilarious consequences. If the ship is incapable of moving vessels faster than a person could fly them manually it will prove to be of little or no use to anyone who doesn't want to just afk around in it.[/quote]


this boat will haul up to three battleships.... in one trip... instead of a player having to fly three times he makes 1 trip.... hmmm seems faster to me...


what your suggesting in my opinion would be rather well "OP"

CCP Rise: since this thread is clearly demonstrating that people are too stupid to understand that base HP is not fitted EHP, remove all the slots.

The bowhead again... will be used by players who have multiple battle ships fit they need to move around mostly in highsec....

this ship should be closer to this


BOWHEAD

Ore Freighter Bonus:
5% bonus to inertia modifier per level
5% bonus to ship maintenance array capacity per level

Role Bonus:
90% reduction in jump fatigue generation


Slot layout: 0H, 3M, 3L, 3R; 0 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 1350 PWG, 215 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 30000 / 10000 / 80000
Capacitor (amount / recharge) : 3900 / 235000
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed / align time): 65 / .0675 / 640000000 / 1.37 / 59.89s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 51.5km / 45 / 3
Capacity (cargo / ship maintenance array): 10000 / 1300000 (goes up to 1.6 something with ore freighter 5)
Sensor strength: 12
Signature radius: 3200


this makes its sheilds twice as strong as an orca.... and armor a little less.....hull only 10k better then an orca....

you still have the rigs slots mids slots and low slots to customize per player tank speed cargospace agility and the like....
gives it a much closer to what will be needed to be ganker resistant

also a cargo hold usefull for carring mods/ammo of a proper amount.

Phew, this thread seems to be 90% off-topic, but fortunately the other 10% seems to address the issues with the relatively simple ship.

The ship:

Addressing the agility and EHP of the Bowhead pretty much covers it for me. As many have point out, it'd take a really dedicated (i.e. loss-making) effort to take one down if set up for survival, and it's not like it can be a freighter loaded with 10bil+ isk of loot. SMA does limit how valuable the cargo can be. Sure, in the early days of the ship's life it will be subject to lolganks for zero profit because of killmails, but this simply can't go on forever for reasons of isk.

The other stuff:

The assertion that ganking is the only risk some of these big haulers will face is correct. Let's face it, the only way to stop this sort of activity would be to prevent people firing on one another in HS altogether, which is so outside the character of Eve as to be abandoning the sandbox concept altogether. Not going to happen.

Ships should be subject to attack in HS. The only issues I see with HS ganking in general are:
Bumping (it's stupid, lets face it).
Cheap glass-cannon ships (I'd prefer to see ships like this be more expensive, possibly T2).
High-volley weaponry (should be pared down in general across the board, along with a stacking penalty to remote reps imo)
NPC corps (being able to hide in them indefinitely is probably a big reason for the rise of suicide ganking)

Either bumping needs to be addressed, or the NPC corp wardec immunity issue. Certainly wardec mechanics need another pass.

Agreed Mike but seems that the Party of Gank is going all medieval just because all the other guys are asking a bit more tank for this ship (because of its unique role)... seems trying to gather a bit more people than usual to gank a ship is a bit too much for them. Lazy gankers...

Go ahead highsec.. ask for all the tank you want...

When you fill it with your shiny incursion running goodies.. its still a freaking piñata.. with a target on its back.




Rise, don't release any pics of this thing, the only pic that needs to be released is a pic of the wreck it will leave.

You guys can keep squabbling over this all day.

All I know is I can't wait to Doomsday one.

More like lazy bears. Its got a 420k tank plus a mwd just using t2 mods and t1 rigs which is more than enough. What these idiots want is a ship that they can overstuff with the most expensive hulls and face zero risk. Thats not going to happen. They keep on whining about how they will die to a 40 man fleet yet refuse to work with other incursion pilots to protect themselves.

I disapprove of the changes. More tank was already dubious enough, but an inertia bonus on top of that is just too much. There is simply no precedent for both in the industrial/freighter line up and for good reason. These ships should not be escape artists, that's the job of the blockade runner.

Dear CCP Rise here you will find my recommandations for the "BOW HEAD" ,i hope you will take the time and effort to read my opinions and thoughts on this much waited ship

Let's start.
Ore freighter skill doesn't sound good to me, it's too much rebundant with Ore skill and Capital industrial ships.
For me the skill requirement should be :
-Advanced spaceship command to 5
- Ore skill to 3
-Capital industrial ship to 1
-Capital ship to 1 (for reference rorqual need the skills at 2 but use jump drive)
I think this way it does make much more sense than creating another skill for only one ship

There is currently no reason that this ships doesn't have an ore bay ,it's an Ore ships after all.
-Add 75000 m3 ore bay

The cargo bay is a bit small in my opinion especially with 2 T2 bulkheads in the lows.
Cargo bay :10000 m3

There is no reason for the SMA to grew up with skills ,this bonus is currently intended so please give us give the proper SMA size from the beginning.
-SMA 2.1Millions m3

This ships will draw attention of gankers (see the 30 page of whinning from CODE and BAT menbers) Give it a proper tank.
-New bonus 5 % to damage control effectiveness by level (it should just give the right amount of EHP this ship his lacking)

-There is no reason for the 90 % reduced jump fatigue regeneration bonus, this ship is much more a demilitarized carrier than anything else and carrier doesn't have this bonus.

-This ship is too slow is in this state, it ll be faster to move BS individualy.
-This ship lack a bit of CPU to fit T2 harderner or Invuln with a MWD.
-Lore wise i'm a bit dissapointed you didn't came with some sort of collaboration between Ore industries and Concord in response to an ever growing piracy in high sec.Make BP and Ship available trought concord LP Reward .

BOWHEAD

-Ore skill Bonus:
5% bonus to damage control effectiveness by level

-Capital industrial ship Bonus:
5% bonus to inertia modifier per level

-Capital ship Bonus :
10% to warp speed per level

-Role Bonus :
SMA Immune to cargo scanning

Slot layout: 0H, 3M, 3L, 3R; 0 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 1350 PWG, 235 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 21000 / 11000 / 39500
Capacitor (amount / recharge) : 3900 / 235000
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed / align time): 65 / .0675 / 640000000 / 1.37 / 59.89s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 51.5km / 45 / 3
Capacity (cargo / ship maintenance array/ore bay): 10000 / 1800000 /75000
Sensor strength: 12
Signature radius: 3200

This way i like it much more, it does look like a Capital version of the ORCA and he's coherent with the Rorqual.

-Ehp should be around 550k to 580K, still gankable but not that easily,multiple wave will be needed to take it down,and that much EHP will force gankers to be much prepared and come with new strategies.

-SMA with the incoming change will drop ships but will be immune to cargo scan .Huge Ehp + SMA scan immunity =Risk ,Multiple Ships dropping from SMA = Reward

-Making both the Ship and the BP available trought Concord LP Store ,will give a decent price range for the ship and ensure ship availability on markets.

-Enhanced speed at the cost of a painful skill to train make it a viable alternative to move BS one by one.

-The increased SMA allow to carry 3 BS + a Logistic+a command ship + a scout of any type and race ,a nice easter eggs basket if you want my opinion.

Thanx you for the time and effort of reading this post, i hope this ship will find his niche aka "incursion all in one carrier"