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Voting Call: Part 2 of First Arek'Jaalan Symposium (YC 116/117)
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Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
#1 - 2014-11-11 07:05:23 UTC
I hereby call order to the second part of the first Arek'Jaalan symposium of YC116-YC117 as mandated by internal community communication, and upon receipt of 15 "Yes" votes from members of the Arek'Jaalan project, and upon allowing for sufficient time for debate and discussion re: Arekjaalan structure and composition.

This Voting Session is now in order and in session.


It has been a great discussion that brought us here in part 1 of the symposium and now it’s time to vote on the proposals put forth by our community. The discussion was filled with great debate, and great thinkers, and I did my best to ensure that every coherent proposal was read, parsed, and listed below. As the discussion moderator I understand I have a great responsibility to be neutral at all times, and I promise you that I did everything I can to be so.

Whether you decide to vote or not is up to you, but the informal community we call Arek’jaalan will be moving forward somehow, and so I advise you to join it even if it’s not 100% to your liking. After all, working within a community successfully should always include some compromise.

Details of the vote:



  • Voting will be open exactly 1 week from the time this communication goes out. NO VOTES past this time next week will be counted!

  • Voting will be by open ballot. That means that you should announce your vote in the forum, and our transcriber will record it immediately (no take backs) so make sure you vote right the first time.

  • There are 4 sections, broken down by general topic. Some votes will only be counted if the vote that it depends on (in some cases) passes, and beats its opposing vote. This is a little more efficient because we don’t want to go through several rounds of voting on the structure of A’J. (We still have leadership elections, maybe, in part 3 of the symposium, and so we can’t go through several rounds of voting).

  • If an item depends on the passing of another item it will list it in brackets like these “[ ]”.

  • The person who made the proposal in part 1 of the symposium is listed in parenthesis like these “ ( )”.

  • Whenever you see an “option”, it means that for that item you can choose only one of the options. When it’s just an “item 1: yes or no vote” in the beginning of the text, then vote only “yes” or “no”. Omissions will NOT be counted as a no.

  • Only 1 vote per person (for a total of 3 votes per family [alts])



    • Since I will be transcribing, recording, and parsing the results, please make sure your vote communication uses the following template, and please do not include any comments with the vote communication, to make it easier for me to parse. If you'd like to comment or debate (or anything else), please do so separately from your actual ballot in this forum.



Here’s the template:

Section I Overall Structure

Item 1 A or B
Item 2 A or B or C
Item 3 A or B

Section II Division Structure

Item 1 Yes or No
Item 2 Yes or No
Item 3 Yes or No
Item 4 Yes or No
Item 5 Yes or No
Item 6 Yes or No
Item 7 Yes or No

Section III Operations & Mission

Item 1 Yes or No
Item 2 Yes or No
Item 3 Yes or No

Section IV Voting Activity

Item 1 Yes or No
Item 2 A or B

Enjoy participating, the details of the voting items comes next.
Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
#2 - 2014-11-11 07:18:04 UTC
Overall Structure – Section I


Item 1 – General vs. Scientific Council

Option 1.A: There shall be a governing general council made up by elections of project leads and an executive officer. The council (collectively) have a general legal mandate to make operational decision regarding the progress of A’J by a 2/3rds vote or delegation (Proposed by Gehen Sealbreaker)

OR

Option 1.B: There shall be no general council of A’J, but there shall be a “science council”. The science council will have only possess advisory responsibilities and no governing/political mandate. Decisions will be made at the project leader and member levels and the council would help to organize and support division leaders without legal authority. Project leaders would be elected.( Proposed by Valerie Valate)

Item 2 – Executive Officer(s)

Option 2.A: Chairman/ CEO shall be elected by an open community of capsuleers (PB: Gehen Sealbreaker) [if item 1A passes, this item shall be counted)

OR

Option 2.B: Chairman/CEO shall be elected by an open community of capsuleers, and he/she can mandate/choose division leaders (PB: Tsalaroth) [if item 1A passes, this item shall be counted]

OR

Option 2.C: There shall be no Chairman/CEO. [If item 1B passes, this item shall be counted] (Valeri Valate)

Item 3 – Council Formation

Option 3.A: Elected division leaders shall constitute members of the A’J general council. (Gehen Sealbreaker) [If item 1A passes, this item shall be counted]

OR

Option 3.B: The Science Council shall be made of former A’J division heads and senior researchers. There shall be no elections or assignments for the “Science Council” or project leads. Each individual member of the council shall have veto power on division leader assignments. If exercised, this veto power would also remove the veto-er from the council (Valerie Valate). [This item shall be counted if item 1B passes]



Division Structure – Section II


Item 1 (Yes or no vote): Merge Sleeper Technology and Sleeper History Divisions (Gehen Sealbreaker)

Item 2 (Yes or no vote): Merge Talocan History and Talocan Technology divisions (Gehen Sealbreaker)

Item 3 (Y or N vote): Change name of the Multidisciplinary division (Council or division lead can choose a new name) (Gehen Sealbreaker)

Item 4 (Y or N): Merge “Archiving & documentation” with “Media relations & Information Dissemination” (Gehen Sealbreaker)

Item 5 (Y or N): Disband “Logistics & Administration” (Gehen Sealbreaker)

Item 6 (Y or N): Assign “Logistics & Administration” division responsibilities to “Acquisition” divisions and the council. (Gehen Sealbreaker)

Item 7 (Y or N): Create a new independent division (Inspector General’s Office) to focus on certifying major decisions, running elections, organizing forum discussions and summits, certify officer elections, audit material, financial and resource dissemination and ensure proper usage of donations. (Mu’adib Atreides). This new body would also have the responsibility of dispute resolution, investigating issues, misuse, corruption and misappropriations. (Valerie Valate). Council and division leaders shall be required to cooperate with information requests emanating form this office, but this office would not retain any legal, political, military or any other control. Their mandate extends only to information gathering, processing and communicating to the larger community. They would have no managerial authority (Mu’adib Atreides).



Operations & Mission – Section III



Item 1 (Y or N Vote): The Chairman/CEO shall be in charge of leading discussions and act as an embodiment of the A’J initiative (Gehen Sealbreaker) [If items Section I, Item 2A or item 2B pass, this item shall be counted]

Item 2 (Y or N vote): Division leaders shall be in charge of establishing and maintaining communication mediums for their projects. (Gehen Sealbreaker) (Valerie Valate)

Item 3 (Y or N vote): Project mandates and operational decisions shall be at the discretion of division leaders, and/or at the discretion their proxy voters) (Gehen Sealbreaker) (Valerie Valate)



Voting Activity – Section IV

Item 1 (Y or N vote): Elections shall be held on a yearly basis (Gehen Sealbreaker) [If Section I, item 1.A passes, this item shall be counted]

Item 2 – Vote Threshold:


Option 2.A: Operational decisions by the council should be made by a vote of 90% threshold (Saede Riordan) [If Section I, item 1.A passes, this item shall be counted]

OR

Option 2.B: Council will issue decisions about A’J as a whole by a threshold vote of 2/3 majority (Gehen Sealbreaker)
Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
#3 - 2014-11-11 08:02:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaera Taam
This is going to take some study.

Thank you for the work.

_______________________

Section I
-- item 1 [ B ]
-- item 2 [ C ]
-- item 3 [ B ]

Section II
-- items 1 through 7, all [ YES ]

Section III
-- item 1 [ NO ]
-- items 2 and 3, both [ YES ]

Section IV
-- items 1 through 2.B, all [ NO ]

voting completed @2315, 11/11 Y116
iaw guidelines est, A'J Symposium 1, Y116/117
-- signed, Shaera Taam, CEO KPFI

Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
#4 - 2014-11-11 09:11:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Gehen Sealbreaker
Thank you Joe for this extensive work.

I will, too, take some time to ponder all this and will vote in a few days.

A quick question: are we allowed, since this format want to avoid multi-stage votes, to have the result of some previous questions influence our vote in the latter ones? Or would it become too tedious to count?


My vote:

Overall Structure:

- Item 1: A
- Item 2: A
- Item 3: A

Division Structure:

- Item 1: Yes
- Item 2: Yes
- Item 3: Yes
- Item 4: Yes
- Item 5: Yes
- Item 6: Yes
- Item 7: No (Counts as yes if there is no General Council (Section I, Item 1) or it is not expected to take up the ADministrative roles (Section II, Item 6))

Operations and mission:

- Item 1: Yes
- Item 2: Yes
- Item 3: Yes

Voting:

- Item 1: Yes
- Item 2: B
Norman Vales
Vales' Research and Mining
#5 - 2014-11-11 15:41:35 UTC
The voting clearly needs careful thought. From what I can tell after a brief review, there appears to be an implied option locking mechanic.
Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
#6 - 2014-11-11 19:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Themachine
Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:
Thank you Joe for this extensive work.

I will, too, take some time to ponder all this and will vote in a few days.

A quick question: are we allowed, since this format want to avoid multi-stage votes, to have the result of some previous questions influence our vote in the latter ones? Or would it become too tedious to count?


[Space reserved for votes]


So if understand your question correctly, then yes. Some of the proposals were incompatible with others, so if you decide that you want a general council and not a science council, that does limit your voting options later on because some of the proposals made would be nonsensical for a science council - that's where you have a dependency issue.

Those dependencies have been considered and that's why we have the " [ ]" note on certain proposals. But for example, the votes concerning new divisions or the merging of old ones can be implemented regardless of whether the community chooses a science council or a general council - so those have no dependency, and regardless of earlier votes those will be counted.

Let me know if I understood you correctly.
Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
#7 - 2014-11-11 19:29:51 UTC
Norman Vales wrote:
The voting clearly needs careful thought. From what I can tell after a brief review, there appears to be an implied option locking mechanic.


Yes, pretty much. Some of the proposals are not compatible with other proposals. In many situations these votes would usually take place over stages, but since we're low on time (with Dr. Tukoss reappearing and other events), this system presents an alternative to multistage voting, though it must be read carefully.

Since capsuleers tend to be more intelligent than the average citizen I think it will work.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#8 - 2014-11-11 20:59:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrel Toov
I suppose it couldn't hurt to much to voice my opnion in this format.... as soon as I measure the pros and cons, of course.

may as well:

Section I Overall Structure

Item 1 B
Item 2 C
Item 3 B

Section II Division Structure

Item 1 No
Item 2 No
Item 3 No
Item 4 No
Item 5 No
Item 6 No
Item 7 Yes

Section III Operations & Mission

Item 1 No
Item 2 Yes
Item 3 Yes

Section IV Voting Activity

Item 1 Yes
Item 2 A

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Shae Mataar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-11-11 23:26:03 UTC
i see my sister was fast off the mark on this one... good for her, i suppose.

as since my only opinion on the matter at hand extends only to the necessity of removing hilen tukoss as head of a'j, i will abstain from voting. any of the organizational structures being voted upon will be adequate and will have my full support.

echoing those above... good job, joe...

i bring that which you fear the most

freedom

no matter what the price
Vulxanis Viceroy
Vicarius Vitae
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2014-11-12 01:42:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vulxanis Viceroy
[Reserved for voting as of date of Comment]

__________________

[EDIT]

Section I Overall Structure

Item 1: A
Item 2: A
Item 3: A

Section II Division Structure

Item 1: Yes
Item 2: Yes
Item 3: No
Item 4: Yes
Item 5: No
Item 6: No
Item 7: Yes

Section III Operations & Mission

Item 1: Yes
Item 2: Yes
Item 3: No

Section IV Voting Activity

Item 1: Yes
Item 2: B

Voting finalized on 11.16.YC116

Signed,
Lord Draconis,
Acting Chairman,
Offworld Trading Company Board Member

In Character: Only responds to "Lord Draconis"

Pronounced "Vulzanis"

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Norman Vales
Vales' Research and Mining
#11 - 2014-11-12 02:05:40 UTC
Section I :
A to all

Sections II and III:
Yes to all

Section IV:
Item 1 Yes
Item 2 A
Sohl Ni-Zha
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-11-12 03:27:00 UTC
A'J is dead. You can always come to deal drugs, dears.

delivering. drugs.  IG channel: Narcotics
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#13 - 2014-11-12 04:41:18 UTC
Sohl Ni-Zha wrote:
A'J is dead. You can always come to deal drugs, dears.

Drugs are all well and good, sweetheart, but our attempt at necromancy may yet bare fruit. I think we could stick with it a bit longer...

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#14 - 2014-11-12 09:35:04 UTC

Section I Overall Structure

Item 1 B
Item 2 C
Item 3 B

Section II Division Structure

Item 1 Yes
Item 2 Yes
Item 3 No
Item 4 No
Item 5 No
Item 6 No
Item 7 No

Section III Operations & Mission

Item 1 No
Item 2 Yes
Item 3 Yes

Section IV Voting Activity

Item 1 Yes
Item 2 B
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-11-12 18:00:32 UTC
Sohl Ni-Zha wrote:
A'J is dead. You can always come to deal drugs, dears.


Sorry I couldnd't resist using this line from my favorite holovid series

*looks at the camera with a cold stare*

"That which is dead shall never die"

*busts into laughter then the image fades*
Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
#16 - 2014-11-12 22:36:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Themachine
hi everyone:

It's been pointed out to me that some of the current members of A'J are upset that there is no "do nothing option" that allows A'J to maintain the status quo, so I just wanted to clarify 2 things:

I only listed the proposals that were made. No one proposed a "keep everything the same" proposal.

You can still maintain the status quo, and keep A'J exactly the same way.

Here is how:

If you want to keep everything exactly the same, one way to do it is to vote "No" on everything - that will maintain 99% of everything the same. The only thing that will slip passed is item 1 of section 1, where we decide to adopt either a science council or a general council - one of those will pass - the council then can vote to dissolve itself. Voila, everything back to the status quo.

I cannot unilaterally amend the vote to include a "do nothing" option for section 1 item 1 to maintain my neutrality in this phase, and the proposal phase has been closed, and I do not have a mandate to restart it, plus it might be unfair for other participants.

I know change is hard, and I know that some of you may think that certain people will benefit from these changes more than you do, but I really do believe there is a way to make this work well for everyone, and if Dr. Tukoss' message today really does come from him, it seems we have his blessing:

"It is impe(rative t)he cap(suleer ta)skforce dedica(ted to Arek'Ja)laan contin(ue the)ir work i(n my abs)ence. With(out my pre)sence, t(he pro)ject mus(t conti)nue to adva(nce with re)cent (inform)ation (--- - -) received."

AND

"I emp(lore [sic] you) all to continue to further the (aims of the Are)k’Jalaan proj(ect and to con)tinue to wo(rk on a so)lution. (The f)ate of the (pro)ject (is now) in yo(ur ha)nds, and (if the)re is any (chance of communication/my escape?) in future, I (shal/wil)l endea(vour to d)o so."

Please don't give up on the democratic process, because the fate of the universe rests in your hands.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#17 - 2014-11-12 22:52:05 UTC
I will not participate in this process.

Regards

Soter

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#18 - 2014-11-13 23:07:05 UTC
I am in no way vain enough to vote for my own, brilliant, suggestions.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
#19 - 2014-11-13 23:42:39 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
I am in no way vain enough to vote for my own, brilliant, suggestions.


I would not take it as vanity at all. what if your proposals lose by 1 vote? I think you should vote.
Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
#20 - 2014-11-14 06:43:56 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
I am in no way vain enough to vote for my own, brilliant, suggestions.


*smiles* Well then, vote for mine.

I side with Joe on that one. Both you and I, Dr. Valate, should vote, to defuse a bit those accusations of trying to subvert Arek'Jalaan. We'll vote as simple members, and the fact that we were amongst the small group who made formal propositions is irrelevant.
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