Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'll also point out your profit margin is assuming they are actually pretty near max tanking it rather than fitting it for agility & warp speed. Which you will get plenty of people who will do that instead I'm sure. At which point suddenly a lot of that stuff is profitable.
So.... the current EHP levels seem reasonable given the purpose CCP have claimed they intended for it. If a gank is automatically profitable vs bare hulls only (with rigs) in the SMA that match that intended purpose and no cargo at all in the bowhead, then the ship is useless for it's claimed purpose.

Obviously it will be great for null to jump bridge dozens of pre fitted HAC's or BS or whatever around as well, and equally obviously null doesn't really care about the EHP because if it ever sees combat something has gone critically wrong anyway.


Almost like you can't haul several rigged BS & a few Logi in a JF at once, or even in a Freighter at once.
Sure you can package them if you are continually destroying rigs, but.... yea nah.

It's a bit over the mentioned 2bill line but in 3 items so you need 2 third to drop if you count a single gank...

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If I'm parsing your writing correctly, you're saying that if it's profitable to gank a bowhead with that has only stripped Pirate Battleships with rigs in it, with no fittings, that it's useless, as you might as well just fly the ships yourself. But the problem is that's the only point at which it becomes profitable. When you stuff it full with the most expensive ships in the game. It still has the intended purpose of moving assembled ships around, and I think it would still be pretty useful for moving cruisers, battlecruisers, destroyers, etc. It's just not profitable at those levels either.

Remember with the teams in industry CCP is trying nudge people into moving around more to "chase the margin". This ship seems to be a tool to get people moving around a bit more, rebaseing more often.

As an old DAOC player one innovation that Mythic did that no one else seems to have picked up was the concept of a "Camp Bonus". Spawn points started with a bonus and the more the spawn was farmed\camped the lower the bonus got until it vanished. (Remember farming Fens?) This encouraged people to move around to chase camps that had good camp bonuses. It encouraged people to explore and farm mobs that without the bonus might not have been as desirable or efficient.

Now in industry we have a similar mechanic. Corps are nudged to move around a bit more to exploit better costs and margins. The problem is when I moved regions it too 31 freighter trips, a dozen orca runs, and 15 single ship moves to get out of Sinq Liason to Tash Murkon when we moved. A lot has changed since 3 years ago but it was interesting to go from Gallente space to Amarr.

I think this set up is a small, tiny step in "churning the pot". Small measured approaches to getting a bit more chaos into the system.

I would hope that roid belts get normalized and go the same was Ice did (I still think 4 hours is a tad long ice, I'd be okay with 2 hours for roids) to get people to populate more systems rather then clump up in high belt count systems. Just give every system 4 belts in hi-sec for example and put them under constant threat from rats to give a market for new players to defend belts building a better relationship between miners and PvE pilots.

Anything to get people moving about more, regardless of which sec seems to be a good move and if my suspicions are correct, the Eve universe is about to get a bit bigger.

Removed an off topic post.

Wake up Capsuleers,

you just have been trolled by CCP.
around 350k EHP sounds ok for someone not familiar with ganking mechanics.
Now, let us assume that this ship will be used as intended, hauling fully fit BS hulls through New Eden.
Who is permanently travelling with shiny ships around New Eden?
Right, incursion pilots....

What do they fly?
Right, shiny ships...

So, let us put a Nightmare, a Vindicator and a Machariel into that hauler, maybe HQ fit. So the value will be around 4-5B Isk each, so let's say 12B Isk. If only one ships drops (remember 50% drop chance), that will be 4-5B ISK.

A fully fitted Catalyst costs about 10M. How many Catalysts do you need to apply 250k HP damage?
a T2 fitted Catalyst can apply roughly about 10k damage (0.5 sec), so we are talking about 35 catalysts...
4B ISK can buy you 400 catalysts... More than 10x the ships needed for one single successful gank.....

If this ship gets out, I will get my alts in their tech2 catalysts and make more money shooting incursion pilots than shooting incursion sanshas...
But, hey, that's CCP's understanding of game mechanics in a nutshell. The brign out a new ship to help organized gankers get rid of the surplus of battleships...

okay i guess we gotta back it up a bit, ol auntie promfem got it goin on faster than could be understood

here is the setup
acquire one (1) to many (~) irrationally expensive chariots, which are rigged
strip out all the mods and ship them via a secure shipping method which is either resistant to ganks or collateralized
put the now rigged, but unfit, assembled hulls in a bowhead and go

nowhere in my vignette did I ever mention jump freighters except as a way to haul the mods which, fyi, would be by gate
jump freighters make good armored car cargo carriers because they have superlative EHP when fit right, upwards of 700k

the idea is that the thing that makes said autism chariots expensive is not necessarily the hull, but the gruesome, ill-advised collection of deadspace and officer mods thereupon attached

the cool thing about modules is that they are not permanently glued to a ship the way rigs are — you can detach them and shuffle em about separately

you use this to your advantage in order to make the use of the bowhead safer against being ganked

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ccp has no obligation to ensure that you can move a very expensive hull safely

have you tried using a cheaper hull

the whole point of this ship is so you can move your battleships in one peice.. 1 pilot 1 ship.... if you have to have more than just this ship then the point of the ship is lost....


again there is no reason to sink money into the bowhead if it requires a fleet to keep it alive in a gank...

again there is no reason to sink money into the bowhead if you have to use another "TANK" tomove all the valiable mods...

The Bowhead needs to be able to Tank against a 40 man catalyst gank fleet.... if the Bowhead can not survive a 40 man Catalyst gank fleet for at least 1 full minute then dont bother.


and watch the Bowhead go the wayside of the Nestor another attempt to add a nice new ship that went horrible wrong