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Still confused over Reprocessing changes

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Terrin Thorne
Thorne Industries
#1 - 2014-11-11 18:42:57 UTC
Hi all!.

I have been away from EVE for a while and came back to find out that my about 97% reprocessing rate has been dropped to 67.8%.

As broken down below:

Reprocessing Yield 67.8%
50% Base Yield
x1.15 from reprocessing
x1.1 from reprocessing efficiency
x1.1 from scordite processing
x0.975024469393 reduction from station owner tax

I have read about the changes on the forum and elsewhere and I have been told that I have a higher yield than before but lower reprocessing rate but I do not understand how that is the case when I went from nearly 100% down to 68%.

Can someone please explain to me in 'idiot-friendly' words how this change will affect a miner? Is it more worthwhile now to sell the unrefined ore rather than refining it and selling that? Is it even worth mining anymore?

Thank you for your time.
Isabelle Oiseau
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-11-11 18:50:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Isabelle Oiseau
the reprocessing amounts from ore etc were buffed to provide more yield. So while getting a lower %, you still get the same value or more due to changed yield rates.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#3 - 2014-11-11 19:08:10 UTC
72.6% (or something close) is what used to be 100%.

Now the skills, and implants, actually mean something.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Terrin Thorne
Thorne Industries
#4 - 2014-11-11 19:31:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Terrin Thorne
Thank you for your replies!
So the asteroids i mine have a higher yield of ore than before? how do i find out?
It is probably staring me right in the face yet I cannot see it! Roll
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-11-11 19:36:41 UTC
No, the ore you mine has a higher max yield of minerals.

It may be better to sell the ore than refine it. Run the numbers and see.
Terrin Thorne
Thorne Industries
#6 - 2014-11-11 19:46:04 UTC
Ah okay I think I get it!
It just confused me that I had a higher yield but a lower yield at the same time! I have put in a lot of time training all relevant mining and refining skills to level V and was worried I was now losing out!.

As you say, I will run the numbers and see what works best for me.

Thank you all for your time!
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-11-11 19:52:15 UTC
The ore has a higher *perfect* mineral yield. It's no longer possible to get perfect refining though, so while the ore has more minerals in it, you will always lose some when refining now.
Terrin Thorne
Thorne Industries
#8 - 2014-11-11 20:04:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Terrin Thorne
Okay that makes a lot more sense now! Smile

I just ran a quick experiment and found out that it is marginally more profitable to sell the unrefined ore than to refine it and sell that.
Odd as i'm sure I remember it being the other way around! maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention when refining and selling before now, I kind of just got in the habit of refining and selling without worrying too much about it!.

Guess I should have been paying more attention, rather than simply being blinded by ISK signs! Big smile

I guess i will still be refining for personal use and selling the rest!
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#9 - 2014-11-11 21:33:31 UTC
With low end ore, it can be worth more than the minerals, as there's no longer a way to compress the minerals.

The Ore can be compressed.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2014-11-12 00:36:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#11 - 2014-11-12 16:34:49 UTC
Terrin Thorne wrote:
Hi all!.

I have been away from EVE for a while and came back to find out that my about 97% reprocessing rate has been dropped to 67.8%.

As broken down below:

Reprocessing Yield 67.8%
50% Base Yield
x1.15 from reprocessing
x1.1 from reprocessing efficiency
x1.1 from scordite processing
x0.975024469393 reduction from station owner tax

I have read about the changes on the forum and elsewhere and I have been told that I have a higher yield than before but lower reprocessing rate but I do not understand how that is the case when I went from nearly 100% down to 68%.

Can someone please explain to me in 'idiot-friendly' words how this change will affect a miner? Is it more worthwhile now to sell the unrefined ore rather than refining it and selling that? Is it even worth mining anymore?

Thank you for your time.


It is no longer possible to get 100% refine so you had best forget about that now. Smile On the plus side the changes to refining, or reprocessing as they have renamed it, have been one of the few changes made by CCP that have not been too damaging. Apart from the loot reprocessing change which means you can get a maximum of 55% reprocessing rate with skills.

To get the best refining, ahem.....reprocessing, rate at NPC stations in high sec you need the following:

A NPC station with 50% base yield.
6.67 'effective' standings with the NPC stations owning corporation.
Level 5 in the two main reprocessing skills.
Level 5 in all ore reprocessing skills you wish to mine & reprocess the ore for.
Have the RX-804 hardwiring fitted in your clone.

To get another 2% or so yield from reprocessing ore you can set up a small POS tower & reprocessing array and put it online for an hour. You don't need the NPC standings if you do it this way but you will still need all the requirements I listed above.

Regarding your second & third questions it is still worth mining although obviously other career options will give more ISK.
Selling 'raw unrefined ore' is as before the reprocessing changes still usually the worst possible option. There are exceptions still such as selling basic Scordite & Kernite at storyline agent mission stations but they are limited in scale. Dependent on your location you will still be able to sell minerals to buyers at good prices.

The best current option is to be in a player run corp and compress your ore at a small POS tower with a compression array. You only need to online the tower for one hour every so often when you have a decent amount of ore to compress so the running costs are minimal. The main advantage of compressed ore is that it can be transported very easily eg a Mastodon can hold one billion ISK worth of compressed ore. Remember to do the maths and sell the compressed ore at the maximum reprocessed mineral value eg Dense Veldspar contains 343 units of Tritanium when reprocessed at a POS in high sec.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .

Terrin Thorne
Thorne Industries
#12 - 2014-11-13 14:20:06 UTC
Wow! Thanks again everyone for the help! Big smile

I have a lot more to think about now and things are much clearer.

Well, I am off to make some ISK!