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It's that time of (once in every 5) year(s) again.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#41 - 2014-11-11 08:03:36 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


Something tells me you shouldn't hold your breath for any sort of vote, Liam. It seems democracy is out of style in the Federation, these days.


I wouldn't be so certain of that, Commander Tuulinen.

The voter-eligible population of the Federation is something upward of 16 trillion individuals. The capsuleer population within that population is less than 1%. It's entirely possible that we simply aren't seeing the advertisements and campaigning we normally see because the politicians have decided it is better for them to keep us out of the loop.


I hope you're right. Stability works for both of us, right now.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#42 - 2014-11-11 21:21:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Caellach Marellus
Stability as in maintaining the status quo?

I'd rather have things shift for the better, as the State learned with life after Heth, change is good. Roden was a war time leader, he's not a man for peace. So we need change.


That actually sounds like a good campaign slogan.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#43 - 2014-11-11 21:29:20 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Stability as in maintaining the status quo?

I'd rather have things shift for the better, as the State learned with life after Heth, change is good. Roden was a war time leader, he's not a man for peace. So we need change.


That actually sounds like a good campaign slogan.

I think he ment stability, as in "not throwing fleets worth of manpower and ships at each other". Stand steady, then move toward your goal.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#44 - 2014-11-11 21:43:04 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Stability as in maintaining the status quo?

I'd rather have things shift for the better, as the State learned with life after Heth, change is good. Roden was a war time leader, he's not a man for peace. So we need change.


That actually sounds like a good campaign slogan.

I think he ment stability, as in "not throwing fleets worth of manpower and ships at each other". Stand steady, then move toward your goal.


Well yes, in that case I agree.

Regardless either way, Roden out.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Shaardis
Twin Sun Shipping
#45 - 2014-11-12 01:07:21 UTC
Kark, vote for me. I run cargo through gate camps for a living, so I can get stuff past the Senate. I've got a thing for good Civire, so I think I can work something out with the State. Got a thing for good Brutor, too, so Republic diplomacy'll be just fine. Got a sweet spot for Thukker (Who doesn't love a vagabond in a Vagabond?), so we'll work out some trade deals. If Ishukone can get someplace that serves a real fried Caldari seafood buffet down there, then Caldari Prime'll get all worked out.

Don't worry, boys. This is easy. I've got it all under control.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#46 - 2014-11-12 04:23:10 UTC
Shaardis wrote:
Kark, vote for me. I run cargo through gate camps for a living, so I can get stuff past the Senate. I've got a thing for good Civire, so I think I can work something out with the State. Got a thing for good Brutor, too, so Republic diplomacy'll be just fine. Got a sweet spot for Thukker (Who doesn't love a vagabond in a Vagabond?), so we'll work out some trade deals. If Ishukone can get someplace that serves a real fried Caldari seafood buffet down there, then Caldari Prime'll get all worked out.

Don't worry, boys. This is easy. I've got it all under control.


This is prepos... Inconceivable... Completely ridic...

Actually, it's strangely compelling. Redhead for Senate YC116.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Shaardis
Twin Sun Shipping
#47 - 2014-11-12 08:05:11 UTC
Damn skippy, stud. I figure if some guy with no clue at all about running anything can get in charge of a nation, then someone who can at least run a ship can't do any worse. They even call it the ship of state. I think I win on merit.

Hold my beer. I got this.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-11-12 08:41:20 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Clearly rather than holding a presidential election the Federal Senate should humbly request that the Empress appoint a viceroy


Your suggestion is noted, Admiral.

Don't hold your breath for a majority vote, however.


Something tells me you shouldn't hold your breath for any sort of vote, Liam. It seems democracy is out of style in the Federation, these days.

Yes yes, down with that filth, called Democracy!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2014-11-12 09:40:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Clearly rather than holding a presidential election the Federal Senate should humbly request that the Empress appoint a viceroy


Your suggestion is noted, Admiral.

Don't hold your breath for a majority vote, however.


Something tells me you shouldn't hold your breath for any sort of vote, Liam. It seems democracy is out of style in the Federation, these days.

Yes yes, down with that filth, called Democracy!


Keep your knickers on. Seriously. If the end of the presidential term marks the end of the Federation then the Federation would had collapses aged centuries ago.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-11-12 10:05:01 UTC
Then lets push it down, strike it hard to its heart, so it won't stand up ever again.
Lets do this, citizens!

The Federation must be DESTROYED!!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-11-12 11:31:47 UTC
Shaardis wrote:
Damn skippy, stud. I figure if some guy with no clue at all about running anything can get in charge of a nation, then someone who can at least run a ship can't do any worse. They even call it the ship of state. I think I win on merit.

Hold my beer. I got this.


While I suspect you are being overly animated for comedic effect...

I feel I should clarify that current President Jacus Roden could not be described as "some guys with no clue at all about running anything" Anyone who has known me for any period of time will be able to tell you that I have no love for our current president, but the fact remains that he is a skillful businessman and at least a competent politician. In fact, he can be described as a "robber baron," which indicates that also sees opportunities and seizes them.

Whether or not any of these qualify him as a good president is up for debate but they do indicate he has some experience and skill at managing people and administrating business and bureaucracy.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Shaardis
Twin Sun Shipping
#52 - 2014-11-12 13:05:48 UTC
Easy there, slick. You're overthinking it and being a talking head. In fact, when you get that feeling that you absolutely must clarify something, it's usually a good idea to sit on it.

A smart man like you already knows this, but knowing what you're doing isn't required to be the President. There ain't exams or skill tests to pass. A street mime could get elected. (Those might be some quick speeches.) Oh, it helps, sure. That was my point about running a ship with all of its responsibilities. Glad you noticed. Not sure where you noticed I said Roden, though. Maybe you can show me.

And, I wasn't just talking about the Fed, anyway. The Amarr could have a three-year-old on the throne tomorrow. A tribe in the Republic could send a wise hermit Elder who's never had to play politics before to the Council. You know, 'a nation'.

Thanks for the enlightenment.

Now. Are you going to hold my beer and help me get elected? Because I got this.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#53 - 2014-11-12 13:36:08 UTC
Context, mademoiselle.

You are in a thread regarding Federal politics and elections, discussing "getting elected" (which is entirely a democratic process and only one of the major nations in New Eden has such a process). So, the natural connection is that your conversation is in the context of the Federation and its current administration because the conversation up to this point is in that context.

Now, to argue semantics, you did speak in generalized terms and thus could have been speaking of any of the nations and any of the leaders of said nations throughout known history; I concede that point.

Unfortunately, you haven't said or done anything that would earn my vote so I'm afraid I will not be helping you get elected.

Also, my sincere thanks for your advice. I'll keep that in mind.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#54 - 2014-11-12 21:01:53 UTC
Ah Shaardis, how I have missed your no-frills simplicity when it comes to problem solving, though I'm not sure Presidential duty is as basic as you'd like to suggest, though I approve of your open diplomatic stance towards the other factions.

However, I firmly object to the idea of a mime who gives their speeches through interpretive dance.


Back to the point, anyone who runs against Roden would have to sell the notion to the people that we are no longer in a state of war, that we have passed the need for military might and the cold paranoia of the SDII that when our media tells people "You are free!" adds on the tag line of "to do as we tell you."

Such measures are against the ethical and spiritual ideals of the Federation, we have not gone as far to turn into the monster that rose up during the Gallente-Caldari war where victory was to be obtained by any means necessary, but since Eturrier's execution we have let standards slip, and things have come to pass, where in the past we would have voiced objection.


This election is the Federation's opportunity to rediscover itself, and go back to what truly makes it great.

It won't do that with Roden in charge.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#55 - 2014-11-13 00:00:02 UTC
Shaardis wrote:

A smart man like you already knows this, but knowing what you're doing isn't required to be the President. There ain't exams or skill tests to pass. A street mime could get elected.

And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Shaardis
Twin Sun Shipping
#56 - 2014-11-13 17:58:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaardis
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Ah Shaardis, how I have missed your no-frills simplicity when it comes to problem solving, though I'm not sure Presidential duty is as basic as you'd like to suggest, though I approve of your open diplomatic stance towards the other factions.
How've you been, handsome? Staying out of trouble? I hope not.

Alright. Now. I'll say, "Sure it is." People want someone who's looking out for them. That's all a President, Senator, mayor, hall monitor, or anything else is. When you're politicking, you ain't presidenting. Pressing the flesh to look good in the polls? Same thing. Pressing the flesh with a cabana boy? Welllllll, that's a bit different. People need a good scandal now and then just so they can be happy you aren't magically more special or better than them, but get stupid with it, and that ain't presidenting.

It's hard to tell on IGS with everybody trying to sell themselves as debutantes, intelligentsia, and oh-so-edgy rebels. (Heh. That's what politicians do.) But you know, and I know you know, doing everything you can to take care of you and yours is the only thing that matters at the end of the day. And every bit of responsibility for what happens stops with you. You check the reports, you check the maps, and you listen to your scouts to figure out when, where, and how you're getting to where you're going so you can do just that, even if that means taking a new way mid-way through the flight. In case anything does go wrong, you've got the suits and pods to give everyone the chance to get out safe, and you make sure they work and that the dirtballers know how to use them. The boys in the back can do whatever they like in their free time, but as soon as they bring a problem through the airlock, and your first needs some back-up, you step in. (The captain is goddess, so your holo-avatar should have some divine feathered wings for style.) But if your first can handle it, then you keep yourself hands-off so your touch stays firm but light.

You want to be captain of that ship of state, you have to realize people are hiring you to do that exact same thing. It's a bigger ship with hells of a lot more crew and passengers. Tie your hair back, take that first big breath of fluid, and get to work. And don't bump the other ships. It just ruins it for everybody.

You want to know how I'd deal with the Eagles? Easy. It'd go something like this, "I'm cutting out most of your budget for this stupid kark you pull and putting it in education so those UC dropouts with one year of philosophy classes don't come out thinking they know everything even though they can only get a job painting ship hulls. Now go show me why the Fed actually needs you around to begin with before I take the rest of your funding away and use it to build an accel gate so we can toss you at the EVE gate as a science experiment." I might get assassinated once or twice, but, you know, kriff 'em. It'd give me a chance to wear a new pair of shoes.

The faction wars, or whatever you want to call them? I'd make a visit to Yulai and meet the genius who thought a murderous game of tag in lowsec is war, much less a good idea. Then, I'd slap the hells out of him. I'd find our ambassador who agreed with him and slap him, too. Next, I'd go on a state visit tour around the cluster, and in each nation I'd take the time to meet their ambassadors who were there and slap the pure stupid out of them just to make the whole thing fair. And, if I got to live that dream, I hope every single mother, father, husband, wife, son, and daughter across the cluster who's lost someone to the biggest case of head-up-exhaust in one hundred years can feel that satisfying sting on their own hands for a second.

Contrary to what some of those talking heads tell you on TV and holos or what the wingnuts want to say, regular people don't like wars. They might get excited from the drama and speeches and live drone footage at first and eat it all up, but they get sick of the taste real fast. The more they see it isn't, "For our very survival!", the less they give a kriff about keeping it up. (Of course, it took running into the Amarr to figure it out that first time.) "Calm the kriff down," ain't that hard to sell. Then the Fed can use the Navy for better things, like finally giving Kuvakei the slap he deserves and making sure it sticks this time.

There's never time to whine. Bitching's fine, because the difference between bitching and whining is a whiner just sits there and complains, the bitcher complains while she's still doing something about it. So hold my beer. I got this.

Caellach Marellus and Diana Kim wrote:
However, I firmly object to the idea of a mime who gives their speeches through interpretive dance.

And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.
What's wrong with mimes? They're people too. Besides, you can leave a mime trapped in an imaginary invisible box and actually go get things done before they pull themselves out with an imaginary invisible rope.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#57 - 2014-11-13 19:48:08 UTC
The record will show that I worked out she'd make a decent leader BEFORE this speech. Empathy, people, it works.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-11-14 10:56:43 UTC
Shaardis wrote:

Caellach Marellus and Diana Kim wrote:
However, I firmly object to the idea of a mime who gives their speeches through interpretive dance.

And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.
What's wrong with mimes? They're people too. Besides, you can leave a mime trapped in an imaginary invisible box and actually go get things done before they pull themselves out with an imaginary invisible rope.

Wait wait wait, he said WHAT?!!

In the State we don't need mimes, invisible boxes and ropes. We need efficient educated managers, who know their job and can organize efficient functioning of corporate machine. Besides that, I don't really care what mimes or clowns Federation has at a lead, if they would leave that crap for themselves only, stopped propaganda and enforcing of their filthy democrazy, and stopped putting claims on OUR planets (Caldari Prime) and OUR regions (Black Rise).

But since our planet (Caldari Prime) is located deep in Federation territory (as designated by federal charter), the only way to stop gallentean swines from attempting to claim our planet again, is to destroy the Federation or to find another way to invalidate Federal charter (well, which still will be destruction of the Federation as we know it).

If the Federation will fail to choose its president, we must demand dissolution of federal charter completely.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#59 - 2014-11-14 20:02:11 UTC
Democratic elections can't fail, someone will always vote for themselves, and their friends, families and close associated cronies.

If anything then it becomes a case of who knows more people.


It can be abused and manipulated to give the illusion of democratic elections where they don't actually exist, but ultimately a leader is always chosen.


Diana Kim wrote:
Shaardis wrote:

A smart man like you already knows this, but knowing what you're doing isn't required to be the President. There ain't exams or skill tests to pass. A street mime could get elected.

And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.



On that grounds the State should be dismantled for allowing an incompetent racist buffoon to run as unquestionable overlord for the past few years, but I digress. Your rhetoric is as old and tired as it gets Kim, the holes in your argument are bigger than the points you try to make, please stop making every thread about you, if you aren't a fan of the Federation and the democratic process then I suggest you stop reading this thread, and threads connected to the elections.

It's not like you actually care who wins, you'll keep harping on regardless of who is elected.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#60 - 2014-11-16 07:31:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
None of this is really my business, so I won't comment deeply, but it looks like the fears of keeping Capsuleers out of the loop were unjustified. The reason we heard no news was just because... Well, there wasn't any. The Senate has just set a date now.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/gallente-federal-elections-commission-sets-presidential-election-date/