Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, if they give a covops cloak to a battleship, it should be the black ops... i'm just suggesting that they could be bridged through BO bridges. The nestor has ridiculously low mass for a battleship and as such would take less fuel than bridging 2 recons. Currently there's only one logistics ship for black ops gangs, and that's an AT ship and shield logi, as such the nestor would fill a role no other ship can.

Remove turret slots add covert ops cloak. Done!

There's also cloaky logi Tech 3's


Really, the Nestor needs to return to the drawing board. It doesn't fit in with the SoE line up. Even with the bonkers long list of bonuses it has.

To that end I would suggest moving into a new role like this:

Scrap the logistics role of the Nestor all together. Make it simply a BS with a SMA and a BLOPs style set of bonuses to cloaking (not fully covert). Consider giving the ship a covert jump drive and the ability to fit covert jump portal generator so the ship can actually support it's smaller ship classes by bridging them. This will mean giving the Astero and Stratios the ability to fit covert cyno generators (perhaps just the Astero).

Next, look at remote rep modules themselves. They're pretty much gimped on anything without a range bonus to them so I think a good idea would be to double the range of all remote rep modules and half the range bonuses on logi ships. This makes remote rep ships that aren't logi feasable again (I miss those RR BS battles). It also makes strategic cruiser logi fits feasable without making them stupid.

Then create an entirely new ship which is a Battlecruiser. This ship will be the support ship. It will have the logistics bonuses the current Nestor has and will be able to fit links. Why a battle cruiser? a few reasons... mobility, covert cloak, scan resolution, it's easier to balance.

The new Battlecruiser:

Eurydice
• Amarr BC skill bonuses: +4% to all armour resists per level Gallente BC skill: +10% drone damage and HP per level
Role bonuses:
50% bonus to remote armor repairer amount
100% bonus to remote armor repairer range
50% bonus to medium energy turret optimal range
Can fit warfare links

• Slot layout: 7 H, 5 M, 5 L, 5 turrets, 0 launchers
• Fittings: 1495 PWG, 410 CPU
• Defense (shields / shield recharge time (s) / armor / hull) : 4500 / 1800s / 7500 / 6750
• Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 3125 / 822 s / 3.8
• Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 150 / 0.69 / 13000000 / 10.2 s
• Drones (bandwidth / bay): 100 / 400
• Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km / 260 / 7
• Sensor strength: 21 Magnetometric
• Signature radius: 260



It will only have the same offensive capabilities of the Stratios but it will be a little tankier and slower so giving it a Cov Ops cloak won't be that big of a deal.

Then we have ships with real purpose:
Astero: Combat Scout
Stratios: Combat Exploration
Eurydice (Battlecruiser): Combat Support
Nestor: Combat Mothership - Battleship

Try reading the entire thread.

Also my idea/recommendation is CCP should fix the ship, and not keep rebalancing it every 3 months because something else they have done broke it / made it pathetic.

My issue with missiles is that it takes more SP to max them out when you compare them to gunnery skills. From there, the gunnery support skills support 3 different racial weapons. This is while the support skills for missiles, only support missiles, and take longer to train.

So in other words a battleship from the SOE faction that could carry the smaller SOE ships around?

And why instead of a cov ops cloak, they give the Nestor an "improved tech2 cloak" mobility bonus like +125% base speed per Gallente battleship skll level when cloaked?

This is just something people are terrified of for no real reason. A Cov cloak would not break a BS since they still have the targeting delay and then they have BS level scan res to try and lock something also. All it would do would improve the roaming ability by warping cloaked. Same as the Black Ops should get the Cov Cloak. It's just something that makes sense but that people are terrified of with having never seen it.

The nestor is unfortunately not as successful as hoped, as it lacks a reason for existing, low mass without covert ops cloak? Great for not collapsing wormholes too easily, no cloak so no one will take it out of their home system.

Logistics bonus and ship hangar? As expensive as a carrier and less effective.

Combat ship? Others do it better.

It is just not special, and does nothing special. Just lots of nothing special.......

So, what now?

We are getting new wormhole space.

What is really really useful in wormhole space and visible from anywhere in Dscan range like a big flag?

A Pos

and we have no personal pos.

Make the nestor anchor into a small pos mode,weapons disabled, built in refitting and some ship storage just give it a force field when anchored like a small pos and "we have a winner"


Ps it even looks like a pos if vertical.

I did mean application, but yes - I do realize it's toying with Pandora's Box...

So Nestor is used as a very special guardian that can drop drones too, and usually fed cap by a guardian (with or without talismans). So it got that niche, would love to see more tinkering with those capabilities to make the Nestor generally worthwile in those situations instead of the current state of requiring remote sebos/eccm and remote cap to that extent to make it viable.