Missions & Complexes

Anybody armour tanking a Drake deserves to lose their ship, its as simple as that.

Are high sec incursions difficult?

If you are solo, then yes, extremely difficult. If in a proper fleet, they are easy.

A T1 sniper mael can get chosen over a T2 dps machariel.
Sure, t1 mael it will deal less damage than the T2 variant, but if a FC is faced with the choice between a short range dps and a lower-damage sniper at a time when sniper numbers are low...the t1 sniper mael will get in.


But overall, logi is the more in demand ship. Logi 5 basi will get picked over logi 4, unless there is a shortage of logi at that time...then all logis are welcome.

The reason logi 5 is proffered in VG's for basis is they can go 5-1 (reps-energy transfers) and you can run the more difficult sites with 2 logis and have a bigger safety margin. In this arrangement the 5:1 basi needs another a logi 5 partener or cap chain fails. A logi4 one will get turned down if the 5:1 logi can't be arsed to refit to a 2 energy transfers config.

Good for you and if your that good, CCP will fix the respawn rate in Incursions. We can't eat the cake
and still have it now, can we?

Incursion are very easy because they're totally predictable. You know what's coming so you know what to bring to not lose ships.

Making a lot of ISK in Incursions is harder though. There are always people trying to maximize their income and for incursions that means flying with 2 logistics, preferably scimitars in a shield fleet and the highest damage ships you can get, machariels, nightmares vindicators and bhaalgorns and 1 loki for webs. And those ships are pimped.(I don't fly armor but there are some very nice armorfleet setups also.)

The crew I fly with goes as far as to require an eveboard check to look whether the player joining has the skills to not only board a ship but also fly it effectively as in: T2 guns and high gunnery support skills.
Also every Battleship is required to have a flight of rep drones.

This way we do site fast. we win competed sites and are even so successful that members rather sit on a waitlist for a spot to come up in our fleets then go do a random fleet.

Is this elitist? Some might say that but that's usually people who have bad skills flying the wrong ship. Is this just trying to be as effective as possible doing said incursions? Yeah, I think so.

In short, incursions are not hard. But the people flying the best ships will get spots the easiest and the people with less skills will have to sit around and wait more.

Last but not least: incursions can be so lucrative that making a fuss about whether or not to get a pimped out pirate factionship is just a discussion whether you're just cheap or not.

Hah - we always call eysturs for oysters in summer
First rule about summer ... you don't talk about summer!

Demand for those ships is player created illusion. Battlecruisers are fine if you think it in terms of mechanics and difficulty. All respect to fcs leading bigger than vanguard fleets tho.

You will get into fleets easily enough if you find the assault & HQ fleets.

Vanguard systems are pretty much "owned" by shiny fleets: you'll be contested and you'll lose until you just give up and leave. The shiny fleets will love you because you shave seconds off their 3 minute completion time.

Assaults require larger fleets, which means herding more people, which means more people coming and going due to biobreaks, playtime start and end hours, etc. Theoretically a shiny assault fleet will get a higher ISK/hr income than a vanguard fleet, but it's hard to keep 20 people focussed on the game for that long: this is true across all MMOs.

The shorter version of my story is: focus on getting into an Assault system fleet, you'll do just fine with your "welfare ship" as we call it. Assault and HQ fleets tend to be more about socialising and chewing fat than about ISK/hr. People are more relaxed, generally more forgiving of mistakes, and your time in fleet will actually be fun.

The only hard part is getting invited and having a stable fleet for a couple of hours to make good isk

You don't need to be in a super shiny fleet, that's just a bunch of vets getting together in their little elitest group making as much isk as possible which is cool. But if you don't have at least 15mil sp and a t3 or better keep doing missions/wh/ratting until you get trained and have a good ship, something that spits out at least 500 dps.

Personally i fly a tengu with almost perfect missile skills. While this isn't the optimal ship, it's no slouch even if it is missiles. This ship does a TON of damage in OTAs with fury ammo.

You're one of the most butthurt people about incursions I have yet to meet.
Awesome your tears are excellent.

Like everything / anything in eve, they **are** easy if you got the right skills and resources to direct at them.

There are many avenues in eve for making isk. They differ in skills and resources needed and appeal to different people. Incursions are not for everyone and most incursion runners, myself included, are not fulltime incursion-heads.

As for driving up plex prices. Well eve has an economy, things change, and stuff happens. Adapt and adjust.

Anyways Jack, if you're PvE-ing for >500M per hour why would you be wanting to moan about plex prices ... one-hour of your uber time buys you another plex.



Agreed.



Ahhh, is this what ppl mean when they talk about 'bitter vet'?

People fly expensive ships for incursions because that greatly increases their utility, and profit, within the fleets needed to run incursions. Top-line ships clear VG sites the quickest and win competed sites from lesser fleets. Incursion-running, especially high turnover VG sites, is a competitive activity. Why would you begrudge people from wanting to win those competitions?

W-space mercenary work is also competitive. Those duck eating narwhals are not going to be terribly attracted to a rifter pilot for a POS-takedown. Sure, ppl may bleat that there's more risk in a POS takedown and therefore it's ok to be elitist ... but a well orchestrated POS takedown usually loses about as many ships as a well run incursion fleet.

It's not incursions that suffer from elitism. If anyone suffers it's the less elite folk who have trouble meeting their expectations in such a highly competitive environment.



I agree with the concept here, if not the tenor.

I could not bear to incursion all the time, but I do enjoy regular incursion-fests in between my w-space and my nullsec activities. As for only working with non-incursion runners, nah, I'd prefer to work with people who are open and adaptable to the changing circumstances that surround them.



I agree that w-space, well managed, can bring you significantly more wealth than incursions.

PvE for better than 500 M/hr is mega uber impressive. I will continue to aspire to such godlike performance, all the while wallowing in my mediocre reality.