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Jump fatigue and jump clones - information wanted!

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CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2014-11-11 15:55:54 UTC
Hey everyone,

When we relased Phoebe last week, there was a fair amount of discussion about a possible exploit whereby jump-cloning would reset your fatigue timers.

Has anyone here actually experienced this themselves?

We're aware of the original report on EN24, quoting an alliance internal forum post, and we're aware of lots of people claiming they know of other people who've been using it. We're not aware of anyone who claims to have used it themselves, though.

However, we tested this extensively before release; we retested it extensively once reports started surfacing; and we've gone over the code again to figure out how it could be happening. Thus far we have not managed to reproduce the behavior described at any point, and the code path involved is sufficiently simple that there's no clear way that it could ever have happened.

We do know of some (now-fixed) issues that would occasionally cause the fatigue timer to no longer display, but these would not prevent the jump restrictions from functioning - they were just display/UI issues.

Further, we are now seeing people state that "CCP fixed it", which raises further questions given that we've not changed that code at all since releasing it in Phoebe.

Therefore, we're asking here if anyone has actually experienced actually executing a jump when they should be prevented by timers, so that we can establish whether this exploit actually ever existed, as we'd quite like to get to the bottom of it.

Thanks,
-Greyscale, on behalf of Team Game of Drones
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-11-11 16:24:01 UTC
perhaps mention if this the sort of thing covered by the 'plex for snitches' program
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2014-11-11 16:52:59 UTC
has it accorded to ye that Reddit may just be trolling ye?
Ama Scelesta
#4 - 2014-11-11 17:30:25 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
has it accorded to ye that Reddit may just be trolling ye?

Considering he mentions the possibility of it not actually ever existing in the OP I would assume yes, yes is has.
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-11-11 20:26:29 UTC
My money is on 'a friend of a friend said it worked and it sounds good so it must be so'

Oh, it doesn't work for me?

They must have fixed it (damn them)

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Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2014-11-11 23:09:22 UTC
I can only imagine some one did a jump with a JF or rorqual and thought it should have been 5 minutes and not 2 or whatever the calculation is.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-11-12 04:34:03 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
perhaps mention if this the sort of thing covered by the 'plex for snitches' program



"I don't want to be helpful or useful unless I get paid for ratting someone else out"
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-11-12 04:47:08 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
perhaps mention if this the sort of thing covered by the 'plex for snitches' program



"I don't want to be helpful or useful unless I get paid for ratting someone else out"

yes. the purpose of plex for snitches program is so ccp will gain information on exploits they wouldn't have gained otherwise. any motivation i might have for making my suggestion have nothing to do with its validity, viability or effectiveness. your accusation is unfounded
Lasse R Farnsworth
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#9 - 2014-11-12 14:47:55 UTC
Will jump on the test server to test it but when it is an ui thing maybe that this person didn'T test it ??
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-11-12 16:28:40 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
perhaps mention if this the sort of thing covered by the 'plex for snitches' program



"I don't want to be helpful or useful unless I get paid for ratting someone else out"

yes. the purpose of plex for snitches program is so ccp will gain information on exploits they wouldn't have gained otherwise. any motivation i might have for making my suggestion have nothing to do with its validity, viability or effectiveness. your accusation is unfounded


Withheld information confirmed.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-11-12 16:38:21 UTC
ok fine you got me

after jumping for a second time (no more) open the carrier's starbase forcefield entry and set it to uuddlrlrba. a cow will appear - click it two hundred times to turn it into the harvest goddess, who will grant you a wish
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2014-11-12 23:53:54 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
perhaps mention if this the sort of thing covered by the 'plex for snitches' program



"I don't want to be helpful or useful unless I get paid for ratting someone else out"

Fits perfectly within Eve.
CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2014-11-13 13:27:15 UTC
Looking like a big fat "nope" then. Until we find some actual evidence to the contrary, I think we're going to work on the assumption that this exploit never existed in the first place.

(Of course, if this is wrong and we discover it does exist and people are using it, their names will be passed on to the relevant people in Customer Support as usual.)

Thanks everyone!
-Greyscale
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#14 - 2014-11-13 13:28:47 UTC
If you do find it and people have been hiding it. Can you swing one giant ban hammer at the lot please. Thank you.

Yaay!!!!

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#15 - 2014-11-13 13:34:52 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
If you do find it and people have been hiding it. Can you swing one giant ban hammer at the lot please. Thank you.


Better include this guy in that list. He looks shifty, and I think he's hiding it too.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#16 - 2014-11-13 14:28:30 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
If you do find it and people have been hiding it. Can you swing one giant ban hammer at the lot please. Thank you.


Better include this guy in that list. He looks shifty, and I think he's hiding it too.


Twisted

Yaay!!!!