Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Your premise is completely wrong. If you make a change under the guise that it is a good thing and then have to start making changes to it..you might want to rethink the change

Because it's cool that a capital ship can cross the universe in 7 minutes.

Because it's cool that a fleet of capital ships can cross the universe in 7 minutes, and drop on some poor ratter. Or utterly ruin an otherwise good fight.

No, that **** sucked.

This change is good. Great, in fact. Quit your bitching and adapt to a better game.

cuz everyone else had to live with the people who flew capital ships showing up from half-way across the cluster just to whore on your mails. Capitals should have never been that powerful to begin with.

I trained for capitals for a long time too, and I'm happy with the changes.

Did anyone ever ask him publicly what his plan was when the "average" of his enemy would have slowly skilled up to capital ship level of SP and if yes, what was his answer?

You can, you just need to do more well tougth mechanics that focus on the real things that big guys have.


Example? Manteinance fee on a station, that increases as 1.05^(number of pilots with docking rights on this station), per month Simple.. if you want a coalition with huge number of blues, you will pay ABSURD amounts of money for your stations.

Don't believe me.. run the numbers.... Suddenly you would never see alliances with more than 500 players and blues combined.

The only thing I remember him saying when confronted with anything related to this was how I just wanted to nerf capitals to bolster the CFC's dominance, and that I was being ******** and ignorant about capital warfare. I don't remember him actually talking that much about what would actually happen if we were to actually counter their number of titans etc, all I really remember was him saying I was just being ******** and ignorant about how capital warfare worked, and something about there having to be end-game content for old pilots.

Presumably he's either been hoping we would never actually nut up and engage their titans on equal terms, or that they would keep the upper hand in the arms race until the end of time, or maybe he just wanted to keep his edge for as long as he could. I don't know.

Currently the issues are in the outskirt regional connections allowing fast moving of capitals on the edge of map.

I don't think that this is good, as it still makes eve small for unstoppable capital bloobs.
Those connections should be restricted to subcapitals only , also excluding the JF.

Dear Easthir Ravin, I have told you millions of times not to exaggerate...hundreds of thousands...

Capital ships being able to transvers the Eve unverse very quickly to hot drop cruisers, was wrong, is wrong and always will be wrong.

And, if these rules had been put in back when CCP introduced capitals, along with 5LY maximum, Andy would not be complaining, because he (and others in his bloc) would not be hedging all their bets on capitals being pwnmobiles.

Good thing CCP's not working with the assumption that the first iteration is the perfect one and any overpowered mechanic can't ever be changed or it's "micromanagement" and "breaking the sandbox". EVE would be a terrible game if they had.

Well, EVE is a terrible game, but it would be a terribler (yes, that's on purpose, sue me) game with Andy's methodology.

1) CCP already "thought up" the "strawman" My best guess is that the politics involved something like this: "PL, et all capital blobbing from across the universe has risen to levels beyond which we can permit. It is time to stick it to them." The easiest way to answer the question about whether a change is political is to look at who is being affected the most by it. Obviously, the answer here is: Groups that capital blob across more than 5 ly. I hope some clear images of specific groups come to mind; PL being the leading iconic image of this over the years.

2) I love it when people try to change what others are saying by starting with the phrase: "So what you are saying is .." It doesn't change anything and it is almost never accurate. This is usually the definition of "spinning" which in itself is "politics", the art of turning people for or against policies which discriminate for some groups at the expense of others.

3) I never said anything about "new". All I said was "politics". It just so happens that new ideas do not usually attempt to favor one group at the expense of other groups, while changes usually have specific agendas along those lines. Something like: "OMG, Feature X allows groups X and Y too much power. Nerf it, quick!" Sometimes, it is true that Feature X was a bad idea, but the nerf reflex is a bad one because it ignores WHY it was bad and usually leaves the bad mechanics in the game while attempting to mask those reasons with distractions and complications. I would say that supercapitals was such an example. Sure they have been nerfed several times, but the reason why they were a bad idea has yet to be accepted. Removing supercapitals from the game is a messy solution, so the next best thing is to discover what aspects of supercapitals draws our interest in nerfing them time and again. Once those bad reasons are discovered and corrected, the other "knee-jerk" nerfs are realized to be inappropriate. I will say that the instant jump travel is one of those reasons that happens to be the same bad effect on all capital ships (not just combat capital ships) for various reasons. EWar immunity is another reason, alpha damage is another (DD), and infinite subcap bridging instant travel is yet another; and there are doubtless more reasons as well.

4) Capitals are still on the radar for their political agendas. Will sov be treated with politics? I have yet to (and may never) know. Check their ideas against who benefits and who is penalized: Will goons blobs be affected more than others with gates to sov structures that discriminate on ship type/size (already used for other political game elements) or will small but capital intensive (PL) groups be singled out with bonuses (maybe specific ship bonuses) to capital ships (ie. supercapital dps and siege mode)?

Added: If caps had been gimped in the first place, the reason I wouldn't be complaining is because I wouldn't have been attracted to training for and flying caps and therefore wouldn't have had a good reason to stay with Eve for this long. But you are right, I would not be objecting because Eve would have been down several subs a long time ago.