Player Features and Ideas Discussion

ISBoxer does not contravene the above EULA rules and this is the reason CCP has not banned the software, and they shouldn't.

"You may not use your own or third-party software to ... change how the Game is played."

The game mechanics have not changed. The fact I can control multiple game clients is not changing how the game is played. I can load multiple game clients without ISBoxer.

"You may not use your own or any third-party software,... that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Running multiple clients does not accelerate the acquisition of items. Each pilot is collecting items at the same rate as everyone else. The fact I have multiple pilots working together is no different to any other team working together towards a common goal.

"You may not rewrite or modify the user interface ... in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game."

Again nothing is modified to acquire items or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the game. ISBoxer provides the control of multiple clients, but it doesn't modify the EVE user interface to acquire more items, currency etc.


Nothing you have stated about ISBoxer is in contravention with the EULA.

Yes, they have changed.
Try multiboxing 20+ ships without ISKboxer and e.g. execute a perfect alpha strike with them. Good luck with that. Doing it with 20+ actual people gets even more impossible due to different latency.
ISKboxer lets you do things that you wouldn't otherwise be able to do nearly as perfect.
Your argument is like saying "aimbots in FPS games are ok, because you can aim without them too".


It does modify the interface - that's the whole point of ISKboxer. (Or does this look like a normal EVE interface to you?) It doesn't matter how it achieves that.



The only reason why ISKboxer still exists is because CCP makes crazy amounts of money from all those accounts.

Don't really care about ISBoxer,

but having the FC in total control of a fleet is pretty bad imo.

A well-trained fleet (people following the FC's commands quickly and accurately) can easily take down a more powerful, but undisciplined, fleet. That's a nice chunk of what makes fleet PVP compelling and makes it worthwhile to organize and train capable PVPers... instead of 'undockers' that might as well go have dinner while the FC does everything.

Sorry I have to disagree on two fronts

One is that multiboxing is the real 'power projection' in the game, Goons even admit to running several caps/supercaps at once each in those big fights because of how easy it is with cap warfare/TIDI combo. So no, anything to make it easier should be avoided

The other is that you cant detect multibox software if the user is savvy enough. Maybe you can ditch ISBoxer, but people can just make scripts (via delayed and point on screen randomization of clicks by X pixels) that are very hard to distinguish from a guy just going to each screen and quickly hitting each command. Then there is the solutions of running many clients through something like sandboxie and other softwares where it wouldnt even appear as the same computer on CCPS end, not mentioning multiple cheap towers.

They should be adjusting the game mechanics so multiboxing is a lot more difficult. For anyone saying we shouldnt change combat mechanics for those, no we shouldnt, because multiboxing isnt a problem in PVP. just learn their weakness, there are several things you can do to ruin a multibox pvpers day besides smartbombers on highsec gates in low

You are clearly not understanding the difference in the points of the argument. What you have stated above is a change to the game mechanic. You have implemented software which improves and alters the aiming mechanic in the game, so you can aim with greater accuracy than other players. ISBoxer does not do this.

ISBoxer does not alter the game mechanics, it allows the coordination of multiple client accounts at the same time. Nothing in the game is altered or improved. It only assists in the coordination of commands which you control.




The screenshot is only showing the blackscreen setup for ISBoxer which provides viewing windows of sections of open client accounts running on another screen. Nothing is changed or altered. Again it is only assisting with how the information is presented and coordination of actions.

If you are going to quote the EULA then you need to correctly interpret the language and intention of the statement and stop coming to conclusions which are not stated in the EULA.

there is no difference.

Aimbot does not change game mechanics either, it just does something faster than real player, right? exactly as isbotter multiboxes x clients in a manner a human would never come even close to.

well fine then make me go and find the dev post for it i don't mind;



So i'll ask again didn't ccp just limit the number of drones that people can control to basically stop exactly what you're asking for?

-1 , makeing a 250 man fleet of indivudals become 1 large account controled by the FC. Yah im sensing an over powering ability of OP!

do you know what else this would enable?

ultra thin clients on mobile devices with a very basic interface. the worst part about the full UI for mobile is how easy it is to fatfinger things on a compact screen. if the FC is taking care of it, logging in can happen from anywhere the fleet members have their tablet, or even phone.

individual ship responsiveness is varied through skills. align times, locks, cycle times. this is not a perfectly synchronized outcome like you might think. just consider those things for a bit.

FC, Wing, Squad command positions.

I was also going to say this would make leadership skills mean something, other than just a red x in the top of the fleet window saying you won't receive bonuses. what if having the skills meant you could really command your squad / wing / fleet.