Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Its been established that 50-100m clones were stopping people from getting out there so I'm sorry but that's just not true.

The current system effectively punishes grunts out in null with already limited control over their skillqueus, people wanting to do complex T2 stuff we all rely on and actively pushes against the current get people doing indy in null thing.

In return it lets Joe Mission get Large Pulse Spec from IV to V in record time!

Its kinda hard to believe people still endlessly defend this with inane consequences/riskreward buzzwords, you know? I agree there is a section of people that will never PVP but **** em, they're therefore irrelevant. Its no reason to not fix things for the rest of us.


Unless this was taken into account in any change. You know, like it would be

Only for small ships. People with expensive clones were pushed to more expensive hulls, not out of PVP all together. And only because jumps clones don't let you mitigate clone costs. Implants had nothing to do with it. Thankfully this issue is being addressed in Rhea.

If your null corp is telling you what you have to train I feel sorry for you. Find a better corp. Joe Mission probably also has a PVP clone in low or null somewhere that he uses to spend all that ISK from missions. If he doesn't then he one of the irrelevant non PVP people.

I agree. Med clones were an issue. It's good that they are being removed.


How does it put them at a disadvantage? Yes they risk loosing their implants but those implants provide powerful benefits. Everything from increased training speed to massive changes to ship power, HP, and speed. You can choose to forgo the risk and use cheaper implants or no implants at all. If someone chooses to not use implants that is their choice. They will still eventually train into whatever ships they want just like the guy with a set of +4's in his head.

Pirate implants aside it just boils down to SP. Some people will have more than others as a result of their implant choices. I don't think this has ever been an issue in EVE. Large amounts of SP is not required have fun or participate in most activities. All fleets need scouts and guys in smaller support ships. I have far less SP than most toons my age and I don't feel this has ever held me back.

If you live in null you have access to jump clones. There is also Estel Arador Corp Services for people who live in empire.

I am not entirely opposed to replacing implants with temporary boosters. It would probably remove more ISK from the game than the current system since more people would use them. However it would add another "log in once every X days to keep training at full speed" thing when just got the other one, the 24 skill queue cap, removed.

So because you have less SP than someone else you must be having less fun? What? I don't even.


Isn't it?


How so? If I jump into a PVP clone with no implants and go shoot people and get myself killed how has the system kicked me in the nuts? So I sacrificed some SP/hr to reduce my ISK lost while having fun, who cares, it was my choice. I might have kicked myself in the nuts if I went full purpletard with my ship fittings but the system didn't do anything to me by itself.

I could just as easily PVP with my +4's in and then just buy some new ones when I loose them. Its no different than loosing a ship. You just buy another one. ISK isn't so hard to come by that leaning implants can't be replaced frequently.

There is a way to get all the hisec miners and Osmon mission addicts to participate in the wider game, you just have to make them. With a gun. Be the change you wish to see and all that.

I'll start by saying one thing. You cannot equate clone and implant costs. Clone costs are/were a requirement and completely removed a choice. You either did it, or lost a large amount of actual SP from your sheet.
Implants however have always been a choice. You use them and risk the cost and in return you can gain a slight more SP per hour.
They are not the same thing.

Now as to implants stopping players.
Well yes it does stop some, but that fault is theirs and cannot be laid at the leads of implants. I have used implants throughout my piloting life. Whether this character or many others I have used. Implants have never once stopped my playing of the game.
The funny thing is, while all those that claim implants are bad and have stopped them, I've been out there enjoying the game and gaining more skillz as well as SP.

Insurance will not help those people. They are fundamentally risk averse and I do not believe that a small payout towards the cost of any implant, would start them using them while PvPing. The other funny side to this, is that my +5 clone, is one of my cheapest and I often did PvP in it, but only because I couldn't be bothered to change.

That's not to say I'm against the idea. But it will not pay out much and it will not help certain players one bit. There will always be a reason for some, NOT to PvP in ships.

You have to realize that the goal of this game for most isn't to maximize SP/hr, but fun/hr

Station spinning with +5s has low fun/hr

I use +4s and in three years I trail behind the +5 guys for a total of ~30 days of skill training, or one level V skill. But I lead them by 3000 kills.

Choices...

This is pure fabrication. You can't just make blanket statements like that - there are players out there that don't go into low or null because of implants. I am one of them. I don't go into low or null because of my implants. Just my implants. That's the one and only reason that I don't want to take risks, and I'm not the only one doing this.

The skill system is not balanced, in fact I would say it's the least balanced part of the whole game. Not everyone gains at the same rate - specifically people who have implants gain faster than others. Clone costs are just a tax and are being removed. Implants are also just a tax, and should also be removed. It's not a level playing field at all.

IMO I would remove the time component from the whole skill system and just give all players a set number of skill points that they can divide however they wish. This is how skill systems work in a lot of other games and only EVE has this time-based thing. When time itself becomes the limiting factor of character development in a game with monthly fees, whether or not you plug in implants that boost your training speed isn't really an option.

To all of the elite PvPers that claim they don't bother slotting implants - how would these changes in any way affect you negatively? If you already don't use implants, and they removed them, you would lose nothing. If they gave us more attributes or some new type of booster in recompense, you would in fact gain from it. As a result of these changes you would also see more people in low and null - this is also a good thing.

Then the problem is you, not the implants.

Instantly destroying the implant market. Bad plan.