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[Rhea] Introducing the Bowhead

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Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#401 - 2014-11-11 03:26:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Querns
Anonymous Forumposter wrote:

There is a TON of debate going on around the jump fatigue bonus on this ship,

Not really. It's one or two posters having a conniption over a thing they don't understand, and one lone, strapping forums hero disassembling their fits with surgical precision.

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Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#402 - 2014-11-11 03:33:56 UTC
Querns wrote:


How many more petards can you hoist yourself upon?


i've hoisted myself upon none;
easy = easy to travel to travel = force projection (whether they carried smaller combat ships or not to the destination)

a ship with a jump drive that can haul assembled ships exists already, it is called a carrier..

I have stayed true to my point throughout this discussion .

o/
Celly Smunt


Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Arielle Silverwing
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#403 - 2014-11-11 03:39:54 UTC
Celly S wrote:
Querns wrote:


How many more petards can you hoist yourself upon?


i've hoisted myself upon none;
easy = easy to travel to travel = force projection (whether they carried smaller combat ships or not to the destination)

a ship with a jump drive that can haul assembled ships exists already, it is called a carrier..

I have stayed true to my point throughout this discussion .

o/
Celly Smunt





he is clearly trolling you girl.. just ignore him

A.S.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#404 - 2014-11-11 03:59:14 UTC
Celly S wrote:
Querns wrote:


How many more petards can you hoist yourself upon?


i've hoisted myself upon none;
easy = easy to travel to travel = force projection

So anything that is easy to travel to travel (:allears:) is now force projection?

Why, then, are you not calling for the nerfing of the Interceptor?

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#405 - 2014-11-11 04:06:49 UTC
Looking nice.

As battleship carrier i hope it will be bigish,can it launch ships or just transport?

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Jaro Essa
Dahkur Forge
#406 - 2014-11-11 04:07:05 UTC
Anonymous Forumposter wrote:
Get more bang for your developmental buck by giving us an ore (Ice, Ore, etc..) hauling variant.

Miasmos, Orca, Rorqual. Or compress and put it in any hauler. Plenty of choice already. Let the Bowhead do as it was designed to do, fill a niche that 's not already occupied.
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#407 - 2014-11-11 04:11:00 UTC
Jaro Essa wrote:
Miasmos, Orca, Rorqual. Or compress and put it in any hauler. Plenty of choice already. Let the Bowhead do as it was designed to do, fill a niche that 's not already occupied.


There is a niche for a large scale ore hauler as evidenced by all the freighters seen in high sec Ice belts. As someone who's regularly ran 8+ accounts at once all mining into an Orca, and then passing into a freighter, I would welcome a freighter that felt less out of place in a belt occupied by ORE ships!

ORE master race. Lol
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#408 - 2014-11-11 04:16:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Celly S
Querns wrote:
Celly S wrote:
Querns wrote:


How many more petards can you hoist yourself upon?


i've hoisted myself upon none;
easy = easy to travel to travel = force projection

So anything that is easy to travel to travel (:allears:) is now force projection?

Why, then, are you not calling for the nerfing of the Interceptor?


my bad, I didn't realize that an interceptor had a jump drive and could haul assembled ships


o/
Celly Smunt


PS. when you decide to stop trolling and want to have a serious discussion as to whether my statement that "there are already ships with jump drives and the ability to haul assembled ships in low and null" is correct or not, I'll be happy to continue this discussion and even show you the ship's pictures and stats, but as long as you're going to act as though you have no ability to read and understand, then I won't allow you to waste any more of my time.

Thanks for the replies though, they have been good for a round (or two) of laughs on comms...

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#409 - 2014-11-11 04:18:15 UTC
Arielle Silverwing wrote:
Celly S wrote:
Querns wrote:


How many more petards can you hoist yourself upon?


i've hoisted myself upon none;
easy = easy to travel to travel = force projection (whether they carried smaller combat ships or not to the destination)

a ship with a jump drive that can haul assembled ships exists already, it is called a carrier..

I have stayed true to my point throughout this discussion .

o/
Celly Smunt





he is clearly trolling you girl.. just ignore him

A.S.



I was hoping you were mistaken, but I guess you're right.
*hugz*
Celly Smunt

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#410 - 2014-11-11 04:22:20 UTC
Celly S wrote:
Querns wrote:
Celly S wrote:
Querns wrote:


How many more petards can you hoist yourself upon?


i've hoisted myself upon none;
easy = easy to travel to travel = force projection

So anything that is easy to travel to travel (:allears:) is now force projection?

Why, then, are you not calling for the nerfing of the Interceptor?


my bad, I didn't realize that an interceptor had a jump drive and could haul assembled ships

It needs neither, as it's faster than anything with a jump drive and jump freighters exist to move things far faster than a carrier can.

You're so fixated on the carrier's SMA that you are blind to its other, more powerful attributes. The carrier SMA just isn't that good. Get over it.

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Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#411 - 2014-11-11 04:45:11 UTC
Also, if I truly was a troll, I'd report your name for obscenity. In fact, I might just do that anyways.

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Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#412 - 2014-11-11 04:47:16 UTC
Spc One wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:

Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 10000 / 11000 / 36500

I think this is low EHP, even with modules, it will be very easy to gank.



Over 400k. Do people not realise how ridiculously well hull tanking scales with slots? A damage control multiplies hull EHP by 2.5 and every module and rig after that multiplies it by 1.25 with no stacking penalty. The growth is exponential with slots which is why one extra low compared to the orca is so significant on this ship, and unlike the orca there is no tradeoff to be made between cargo and tank. The only remotely reasonable thing to fit instead of hull tank is warp speed, which is just as greedy a choice.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#413 - 2014-11-11 04:52:51 UTC
yay! \o/

p.s. huuuuge tank is huuuuge. does not need buff.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#414 - 2014-11-11 04:55:26 UTC
I assume this can use titan bridges?
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#415 - 2014-11-11 04:57:25 UTC
More EHP would be nice. But even more so if it was shield tanked rather than hull. Give it high and even innate shield resists so that logistics are more effective at repping it. If squads of logistics have a high chance at keeping it alive under gank attack then maybe incursion runners will use it.
Ele Rebellion
Vertex Armada
The Initiative.
#416 - 2014-11-11 05:01:34 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Dreiden Kisada wrote:
Humpback is way better than Bowhead. Then there's also Narwhal. That's a whale.

(insert) Humpback joke here. With that name, it could potentially even rival the Nestor for notoriety… As much as I like Narwhal, being predatory in nature it doesn't really fit with the intent for this particular ship. Now an ORE AMC (armed merchant cruiser) called the Narwhal - totally down for that.


I would assume that CCP is actually naming this ship after a whale since they 'want' it to get slaughtered. Particularly a whale that was considered 'ideal' or whaling in the early 17th century due to its similarities to the Right whale: slow-moving and float after death. CCP is an Icelandic based company and Icelanders apparently don't like whales. They are one of only three countries that commercially whale despite the 1983 IWC ban on commercial whaling. (Though I will note that the Faroe Islands aren't considered one of the three countries that still commercially whale, since they brutally slaughter hundreds of whales a year for sport..) Though surprised that they didn't name it after the endangered Fin whales or Minke whales that Iceland is known for killing now days (maybe because they aren't as slow and easy a target as the Bowhead).
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#417 - 2014-11-11 05:11:06 UTC
Idea is great, but the tank is far too small, 500k ehp minimum to account for the gankers these days. Even JFs are getting blown up.

Also need an agility buff to avoid the bumpers, otherwise can be pinned indefinitely and hit by waves of gankers. Unless this ship is reasonably safe, incursion runners won't use it.
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#418 - 2014-11-11 05:15:01 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Idea is great, but the tank is far too small, 500k ehp minimum to account for the gankers these days. Even JFs are getting blown up.

Also need an agility buff to avoid the bumpers, otherwise can be pinned indefinitely and hit by waves of gankers. Unless this ship is reasonably safe, incursion runners won't use it.


You got over 80% of that EHP already, better agility than freighters and single mwd cycle warping, now shut up.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#419 - 2014-11-11 05:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Ele Rebellion wrote:
I would assume that CCP is actually naming this ship after a whale since they 'want' it to get slaughtered.

Hehe, yeah - there could certainly be a hidden inference here…

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Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#420 - 2014-11-11 05:44:02 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Idea is great, but the tank is far too small, 500k ehp minimum to account for the gankers these days. Even JFs are getting blown up.

Also need an agility buff to avoid the bumpers, otherwise can be pinned indefinitely and hit by waves of gankers. Unless this ship is reasonably safe, incursion runners won't use it.

Sounds like you need to use escort fleets.

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