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[Video] Clash of the Empires (Empire PVP)

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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#81 - 2014-11-10 00:28:31 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Caius Sivaris wrote:
PIloting as bad as it's ever been, in the Domi fight he could apply his full DPS by just staying at his optimal, but decides to orbit the gate instead because understanding tracking is hard... Then minutes upon minutes of shooting stuff that is well out of range...

Applying 2x 90% webs at a big ass battleship with a massive sig res is not gonna change anything at all. If i orbit the stargate or if i orbit the moon as long as they are in my optimal range, it doesn't matter, because the Vindicator in that fight is going to hit the battleships at maximum DPS no matter what i orbit. So who needs tracking with that?

And i though that someone said that i don't understand tracking?



Confirmed. Understanding tracking is very hard. At least for NightmareX.
WASPY69
Xerum.
#82 - 2014-11-10 01:42:42 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
;words:

No one likes to watch zoomed out blob fights in general (unless they themselves were in them or they were epic fights, like B-R). You zooming in still wouldn't have made a difference. The fights weren't exciting for the VIEWER, simple as that. There might be people who like to watch videos of brackets though, so I might be wrong.

Also, I don't know your age or mental well being in real life so It's difficult to have a dialogue going. Your posting and reacting to people in the thread suggests that all the chickens aren't in the nest, so to speak.

Ad hominem aside, your posting is bad and you should feel bad. Please stop posting. This thread needs a lock already.

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#83 - 2014-11-10 04:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
WASPY69 wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
;words:

No one likes to watch zoomed out blob fights in general (unless they themselves were in them or they were epic fights, like B-R). You zooming in still wouldn't have made a difference. The fights weren't exciting for the VIEWER, simple as that. There might be people who like to watch videos of brackets though, so I might be wrong.

Also, I don't know your age or mental well being in real life so It's difficult to have a dialogue going. Your posting and reacting to people in the thread suggests that all the chickens aren't in the nest, so to speak.

Ad hominem aside, your posting is bad and you should feel bad. Please stop posting. This thread needs a lock already.

But do you speaks for everyone in empire when it comes to rare fights like we MCC had against RvB in high-sec?

I'm afraid you don't. And you don't even lives in high-sec to begin with, so yeah. Again, how often do you see fights like that happening in high-sec?

Never or extremely rare. And i'm pretty sure you wont see another event like that to happen in the near future either. My video is not about nerve wrecking fights or near death experience fighting. This video is about Marmite and the biggest event to happen in high-sec that we Merc Cluster Coalition (MCC) had against RvB. I'm sure tons of peoples that actually are living in empire are in fact enjoying this type of videos.

I'm 30 years old incase you didn't know. But that's not the point.

My post is way better than others who got their post removed from this topic. Again, 3 whole pages with flaimbaiters and trolls got removed.

TLDR: I do react as i do this way because i never see the same type of criticism / comments to 0.0 space videos from PL, BL or other big alliances in EVE on the forum here. They always gets positive comments back no matter how blobby they are and how many square icons there are in their videos.

But hey, i'll guess the Drum & Bass music is teh win and the fanboys to those bigger alliances is always right, yeah?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#84 - 2014-11-10 08:03:45 UTC
NightmareX wrote:

Applying 2x 90% webs at a big ass battleship with a massive sig res is not gonna change anything at all. If i orbit the stargate or if i orbit the moon as long as they are in my optimal range, it doesn't matter, because the Vindicator in that fight is going to hit the battleships at maximum DPS no matter what i orbit. So who needs tracking with that?

And i though that someone said that i don't understand tracking?


No you do not understand tracking NightmareX. If you orbit a target you are increasing the angular velocity of that target, and thus negatively affecting your tracking. Orbit a Frigate that is at 0m/s with 4 vindicator webs on it in your vindicator with MWD on and you will be surprised why your guns won't be hitting. Theres no need for you to orbit anything when you aren't being shot at since there is no need to mitigate any damage.

In all seriousness though since this thread is being camped by ISD. The reasons why people don't like your videos are simple. It's incredibly difficult for most people to understand any of the context of the fights, you do not have any comms, you do not have watch list added, so all people are seeing is you and your gang outnumbering your targets, with you hardly ever being shot at in the clips because you are not the primary (You mentioned in a post that in the dominix fight a bhaalgorn fleet-mate of yours is being shot at, but it's impossible to tell that in the video, had you included comms/watchlist it would have been easier to tell the context of this fight, and how much closer or thrilling it may have been in reality).

You make a lot of piloting mistakes (Such as the Vindicator Tracking thing already mentioned), and combining this with the lack of context, and outnumbering your targets, most folks just see a mediocre piloted gang beating another gang through sheer numbers/higher quality ships & SP + HG Implants rather than because of any decision making or piloting you or your gang may have made, and this turns off a lot of people who may be interested in your video.

I don't think people hate PvP videos just because of 'highsec' or 'empire'. I think they hate the style of PvP That marmite like entitys tend to partake in. (Outside stations, at 0m/s, with mass logistics, no piloting involved at all just sitting still and doing DPS, and winning due to the other side lacking fleet discipline, lower quality ships than you/less SP/Implants.). It's about the same as watching a Raven running a level 4 mission, sat at 0m/s killing rats without showing any signs of being in danger.

You are obviously very talented when it comes to editing, way better than I am. Since you are obviously very good when it comes to editing, why not just make a video thats more focused on the stories behind the wars, with fleet comms, that seems like the best kind of video you can make if you continue doing the PvP that you obviously enjoy.

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#85 - 2014-11-10 15:01:58 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Suitonia wrote:
No you do not understand tracking NightmareX. If you orbit a target you are increasing the angular velocity of that target, and thus negatively affecting your tracking. Orbit a Frigate that is at 0m/s with 4 vindicator webs on it in your vindicator with MWD on and you will be surprised why your guns won't be hitting. Theres no need for you to orbit anything when you aren't being shot at since there is no need to mitigate any damage.

What i meant is that it doesn't matter as i'm shooting a battleship. A battleship + the combination of Blasters which already have pretty high tracking (even with Void L loaded) isn't going to change much when it comes to applying damage to battleships. If it had been cruisers and smaller ships, then absolutely yes, then i wouldn't start orbiting something.

In earlier videos, someone was complaining that i didn't move or did anything while shooting. I was just sitting there and pressing F1 as they said. Now when i start moving just to not just sit still, then someone complains about that to.

Suitonia wrote:
In all seriousness though since this thread is being camped by ISD. The reasons why people don't like your videos are simple. It's incredibly difficult for most people to understand any of the context of the fights, you do not have any comms, you do not have watch list added, so all people are seeing is you and your gang outnumbering your targets, with you hardly ever being shot at in the clips because you are not the primary (You mentioned in a post that in the dominix fight a bhaalgorn fleet-mate of yours is being shot at, but it's impossible to tell that in the video, had you included comms/watchlist it would have been easier to tell the context of this fight, and how much closer or thrilling it may have been in reality).

Here i fully agree. I should have written down more on what's going on in the fights. But again, as busy i'am nowdays in real life, i didn't had much time to add the extra information.

Suitonia wrote:
You make a lot of piloting mistakes (Such as the Vindicator Tracking thing already mentioned), and combining this with the lack of context, and outnumbering your targets, most folks just see a mediocre piloted gang beating another gang through sheer numbers/higher quality ships & SP + HG Implants rather than because of any decision making or piloting you or your gang may have made, and this turns off a lot of people who may be interested in your video.

Read my first answer over. It doesn't matter in that case that i'm orbiting the stargate, because the Vindicator have crazy high tracking (even with Void L loaded) and i'm also shooting a battleship with a huge sig res. So in that case, it didn't matter.

Suitonia wrote:
I don't think people hate PvP videos just because of 'highsec' or 'empire'. I think they hate the style of PvP That marmite like entitys tend to partake in. (Outside stations, at 0m/s, with mass logistics, no piloting involved at all just sitting still and doing DPS, and winning due to the other side lacking fleet discipline, lower quality ships than you/less SP/Implants.). It's about the same as watching a Raven running a level 4 mission, sat at 0m/s killing rats without showing any signs of being in danger.

Exactly, i avoided sitting still and just shooting stuffs as much as i could, like i told over. Not only that, but in the first fight in Amarr, our enemy actually had more logistics than we had. 7x RR Dominix'es are extremely powerfull as remote reps to each others. We only had 2x logistics in that fight. In the fights against RvB, we had for the most part the same amount of logistics except for the fight in Jita where we only had 5 and RvB had 15.

We had some spies in RvB that gave us intel about them, and their fleet commander is pretty good at being a fleet commander. I don't remember his name now so don't ask for his name now. Yeah, we had higher quality ships than RvB because of the simple reason that RvB know how to fight such fights while we don't. We had never been doing such fights like we did against RvB ever before. So we was really unsure on how it would go, so we decided to go for battleships for the most part. RvB's experience in that types of fights actually made up for the higher quality ships that we used against them.

Oh, and we was always in danger in the video as we didn't know how the fights would go as we haven't done such fights before.

Suitonia wrote:
You are obviously very talented when it comes to editing, way better than I am. Since you are obviously very good when it comes to editing, why not just make a video thats more focused on the stories behind the wars, with fleet comms, that seems like the best kind of video you can make if you continue doing the PvP that you obviously enjoy.

Thank you. Yeah, you have a point here.

You had a very constructive post here with valid criticisms, so cudos for that Big smile.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#86 - 2014-11-10 16:32:57 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Suitonia wrote:
No you do not understand tracking NightmareX. If you orbit a target you are increasing the angular velocity of that target, and thus negatively affecting your tracking. Orbit a Frigate that is at 0m/s with 4 vindicator webs on it in your vindicator with MWD on and you will be surprised why your guns won't be hitting. Theres no need for you to orbit anything when you aren't being shot at since there is no need to mitigate any damage.

What i meant is that it doesn't matter as i'm shooting a battleship. A battleship + the combination of Blasters which already have pretty high tracking (even with Void L loaded) isn't going to change much when it comes to applying damage to battleships. If it had been cruisers and smaller ships, then absolutely yes, then i wouldn't start orbiting something.


You are way below optimal and going pretty fast, so yes you have tracking issues. But keep digging yourself in, the best part about NightmareX videos is the thread about the video.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#87 - 2014-11-10 19:49:40 UTC
Caius Sivaris wrote:
You are way below optimal and going pretty fast, so yes you have tracking issues. But keep digging yourself in, the best part about NightmareX videos is the thread about the video.

I have 6.75 km optimal range on my Vindicator with Void L. The Dominix'es was all from 5 to 6 km from me. So i wasn't that close that the tracking would start to suffer.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#88 - 2014-11-10 20:39:16 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Caius Sivaris wrote:
You are way below optimal and going pretty fast, so yes you have tracking issues. But keep digging yourself in, the best part about NightmareX videos is the thread about the video.

I have 6.75 km optimal range on my Vindicator with Void L. The Dominix'es was all from 5 to 6 km from me. So i wasn't that close that the tracking would start to suffer.


I suggest you watch your own video. At 1:40 in your video, you are doing well, too close (3km), but still doing full DPS on the Tempest as it is also doing 0 m/s (also bad piloting on his side, moving if only a little would have mitigated some damage).

Then you decide that he is dying too fast, and start orbiting the stargate and lower damage application. It's not any better for the Dominixes that follow, as most are shot from below 4km while going full speed around that stargate.

Think about it, if you applied your DPS properly, maybe the Falcons would not have been needed...
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#89 - 2014-11-11 00:12:19 UTC
Caius Sivaris wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Caius Sivaris wrote:
You are way below optimal and going pretty fast, so yes you have tracking issues. But keep digging yourself in, the best part about NightmareX videos is the thread about the video.

I have 6.75 km optimal range on my Vindicator with Void L. The Dominix'es was all from 5 to 6 km from me. So i wasn't that close that the tracking would start to suffer.


I suggest you watch your own video. At 1:40 in your video, you are doing well, too close (3km), but still doing full DPS on the Tempest as it is also doing 0 m/s (also bad piloting on his side, moving if only a little would have mitigated some damage).

Then you decide that he is dying too fast, and start orbiting the stargate and lower damage application. It's not any better for the Dominixes that follow, as most are shot from below 4km while going full speed around that stargate.

Think about it, if you applied your DPS properly, maybe the Falcons would not have been needed...

I alone wouldn't change anything when it comes to the tanking ability the Dominix'es had. They could tank around 14k DPS with the RR setups they had and we did around 10k DPS at most. So if we did 10k DPS or if we did 9.9k DPS because of me orbiting the stargate wouldn't make the fight any different.

The only way we could take on them was to use 2x Falcons that we actually had available as we didn't had enough DPS to break their tanks. Yes, we used a neutral alt to scan them in a hurry before we went into the fight.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

DHB WildCat
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#90 - 2014-11-11 00:45:50 UTC
Also just an FYI,

A vindi orbiting an APOC doin 0m/sec, will do less DPS than a vindi sitting at 0m/sec vs that same APOC both still being in optimal range.

BS sized weapons do not perfectly track BS sized targets in optimal with poor transversal. I know this very well and I still ****** that up as one of the sleips in one of our tourney fights............... felt like such a noob.
Kaleesa
Pathogen Inc.
#91 - 2014-11-11 01:38:23 UTC
Suitonia, you should make a "tracking explained" video on you eve is easy thinger, there seem to be a lot of misconceptions and confusion about it.
Theon Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2014-11-11 02:13:02 UTC
If a frigate shooting a frigate can have tracking problems while orbiting, and a cruiser shooting a cruiser can have tracking problems while orbiting, it stands to reason that a battleship can have the same problems.



That is of course ignoring the actual math in the game (which supports the argument that you will have tracking problems).
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#93 - 2014-11-11 04:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
You guys are probably right about the tracking thing. But in my case, it wouldn't make ANY differences (which is my whole point) from orbiting something to sitting still. So gaining maybe 80-100 DPS by sitting at 0 m/s would still not break the Tempest and the Dominix'es without the Falcons.

So i don't see the point in discussing that really. I mainly started to move around because of earlier complaints that i was just sitting still fapping F1.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#94 - 2014-11-11 15:15:23 UTC
The criticisms here are the same ones you see in your old video threads. I'd say you have a fixed way of playing that is unlikely ever to change.

It seems this just doesn't translate well to the type of video's you traditionally make.

I'd seriously consider Suitonia's suggestion to focus on storytelling with slick editing. It gives you room to be more creative and cinematic in scope. I'd be very interested in seeing what you could produce in that style.

Work to your strengths!

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Escobar Slim III
YOLOSWAGHASHTAGDOLLARBILLZSWIMMINGPOOLICECREAMS
#95 - 2014-11-11 15:53:48 UTC
Lady Spank nasty face has good point. But what I personally believe that highsecs are unable to do good pvp content so because some people out there in our Jita and Amaar don't even have maps and just the F10. I believe that pvp video by nightmarex and his education like such as in the marmite and especially trading hub everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should continue to make video for own audience, but our education over here in the nullsec and low and wormsec and on forums for main viewer should help the rest of us understand their highsec but does it? I dunno, and it should help marmites and should help the Jita and the Amaar comparations, so we will be able to build up our future pvp videos for future subscribers to make a choice for them.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#96 - 2014-11-11 23:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Lady Spank wrote:
The criticisms here are the same ones you see in your old video threads. I'd say you have a fixed way of playing that is unlikely ever to change.

It seems this just doesn't translate well to the type of video's you traditionally make.

I'd seriously consider Suitonia's suggestion to focus on storytelling with slick editing. It gives you room to be more creative and cinematic in scope. I'd be very interested in seeing what you could produce in that style.

Work to your strengths!

Constructive posts like this deserves to get a 'Like' Blink, so here we go. So yeah, thanks for that post.

Seems like i have to change on the way i make the videos to make the empire PVP videos more intresting to the type of PVP i / we do. So i will keep that in mind to next time.

So is it that the way i edit the video doesn't fit to the fraps footages or the other way around?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#97 - 2014-11-12 11:12:04 UTC
NightmareX wrote:

So is it that the way i edit the video doesn't fit to the fraps footages or the other way around?


It is the way you present it. As I mentioned in my earlier reply it is important to make the viewer understand what is going on. Drag them into the fight so they understand what is going on and why it is important. This takes a shitload of time but will make a great video.The RnK videos are a good example. Lord Maldorer (spelling?) spends a lot of time explain what kind of engagement they are in and how their tactics works. If he had sped the videos up and added some music (even well matched music) the videos would be something completely different.

The larger the engagement is the more important this gets. In solo and really small gangs it is easier to see what is going on. But once you start approaching 10 ships in your fleet it gets hard to capture the fight from footage from a single point of view. Having multiple points of views and knowing how to edit it together would be awesome. But putting effort into the storytelling can do a huge difference even if you only got your own fraps footage.

Now it is easier to see things in retrospective but if you had focused on the RvB war (thus excluding the first fight) you could have made a great video about that conflict. Make a short introductions about the Pocos and how RvB got the area around Jita. Then tell the story about how the large highsec merc coalition was tasked to destroy these Pocos. Explain the tactics and choices your leaders made and how they reacted to RvB's tactics.

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#98 - 2014-11-12 15:20:30 UTC
Mizhir wrote:
NightmareX wrote:

So is it that the way i edit the video doesn't fit to the fraps footages or the other way around?


It is the way you present it. As I mentioned in my earlier reply it is important to make the viewer understand what is going on. Drag them into the fight so they understand what is going on and why it is important. This takes a shitload of time but will make a great video.The RnK videos are a good example. Lord Maldorer (spelling?) spends a lot of time explain what kind of engagement they are in and how their tactics works. If he had sped the videos up and added some music (even well matched music) the videos would be something completely different.

The larger the engagement is the more important this gets. In solo and really small gangs it is easier to see what is going on. But once you start approaching 10 ships in your fleet it gets hard to capture the fight from footage from a single point of view. Having multiple points of views and knowing how to edit it together would be awesome. But putting effort into the storytelling can do a huge difference even if you only got your own fraps footage.

Now it is easier to see things in retrospective but if you had focused on the RvB war (thus excluding the first fight) you could have made a great video about that conflict. Make a short introductions about the Pocos and how RvB got the area around Jita. Then tell the story about how the large highsec merc coalition was tasked to destroy these Pocos. Explain the tactics and choices your leaders made and how they reacted to RvB's tactics.

Ok, thanks for your answer. That made more sense Big smile.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Ares Desideratus
UNSAFE SPACE
#99 - 2014-11-13 15:04:32 UTC
Serious question, I'm not here to hate on your video or anything.

What does it actually take to be able to have success in this kind of environment?

Do I just need to be able to fly a serious battleship with good skill?

I assume it must greatly depend who you are flying with and taking orders from.

I've never been good in fleet situations, every time I've been in a corporation and in a fleet, I've found that the people leading the fleet were idiots (IMO) and I just felt like I would have a much better success ratio all by my self.

I've always wanted to be part of an elite group, but as it is, I just think that actual elite groups didn't want me in their group because I myself was not elite. So that is why I decided to play by myself, and with a few select players who I have become friends with over the years. So that I could become elite by my self.

I just wish I could be in a huge group like you and dominate the field.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#100 - 2014-11-19 20:05:09 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
Serious question, I'm not here to hate on your video or anything.

What does it actually take to be able to have success in this kind of environment?

Do I just need to be able to fly a serious battleship with good skill?

I assume it must greatly depend who you are flying with and taking orders from.

I've never been good in fleet situations, every time I've been in a corporation and in a fleet, I've found that the people leading the fleet were idiots (IMO) and I just felt like I would have a much better success ratio all by my self.

I've always wanted to be part of an elite group, but as it is, I just think that actual elite groups didn't want me in their group because I myself was not elite. So that is why I decided to play by myself, and with a few select players who I have become friends with over the years. So that I could become elite by my self.

I just wish I could be in a huge group like you and dominate the field.

Sorry for late answer, but here it comes. Better late than never Big smile.

It's simple. All you need is isk, good skills to be able to use t2 mods, knows how to fly your desire ships and ofc know how to follow the fleet commanders in fleet and so on.

What you see in my video, specially the fights against RvB is something you are not going to see very soon again. That kind of events are extremely rare. So what you have to concentrate on is the more smaller fights like we had in Amarr, or like the one in the first fight in my video. By that, you only have to focus on the 4 things i mentioned over.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama