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Which Wormhole best????

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Captain Khamsi
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-11-11 00:13:14 UTC
Hey all,

My alt is CEO of a smallish corp. We want to go into wormholes to make isk because we are broke and Wormhole sounds fun. I am not sure what is better, a c2 with a highsec static or go c3 with a lowsec static. Most of us are newer guys but we would have a 4 man corp in the c3 with us.

Thanks for any answers
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#2 - 2014-11-11 00:25:35 UTC
I'm going to resist the urge to troll. You'll need three things.

Some capital to buy a tower, fuel, stront, sma's, cha's. That'll run you roughly 700,000,000 isk.

Some ships to pew (T1 battlecruisers will do)

A wormhole.

If you don't have the capital to go into a wormhole, I would suggest daytrippin (find a wormhole in highsec, scan it out, jump into it, proceed to pve).

I would base out of a remote highsec area, less traffic the better.

With all of that said.... 4 man corp, c1 through c3 will do for you. A wormhole with a highsec static will have more traffic in it (meaning people will fly in to pew you). A lowsec you should "theoretically" have less traffic.

A C2 is generally considered the PVP hole for subcap pilots. If you just want to make isk and not pvp. Don't do a C2. If you want to make isk AND pvp, do a c2.

You have a VERY open ended question, as one mans trash is another mans treasure.

Yaay!!!!

Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-11-11 00:25:46 UTC
Going to w-space to earn ISK will only lead to disappointment - especially if your target is low class w-space.

Don't get me wrong - w-space is a fun place to be, but if ISK is your only motivation you won't be here for long.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#4 - 2014-11-11 00:30:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Going to w-space to earn ISK will only lead to disappointment - especially if your target is low class w-space.

Don't get me wrong - w-space is a fun place to be, but if ISK is your only motivation you won't be here for long.


Well with the recent buff lower class wormholes have improved.

What people don't factor in with moving into wspace is the time and the cost (fuel for towers is fking expensive). expect to spend 600,000,000 isk a month just to fuel your tower.

Unless you make that back, it won't be very isk efficient. You can do it though. Simplest thing is to do a test run (daytrip). If you make good bank doing that, you can move onto whether you want to move in or not.

You could also anchor a tower in a empty wormhole and give it a try for a week. See how it feels.

If you've never gone into a wormhole to begin with, consider joining a wormhole corporation to get your wormhole wings.

Yaay!!!!

Kynric
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#5 - 2014-11-11 00:53:19 UTC
For long term sustainability I recommend picking a hole with a static that you want to farm rather than thinking of the home system as the farm. Your home will get farmed out and site spawns will not be reliable. A c4 with two low class statics would give you a lot of options. C2s are a good choice if you value activity in k-space as well as inside the worm.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-11-11 01:20:53 UTC
For small, new to WHs, corps the best options tend to be C2s due to their kspace and wspace statics.
C4s with dual statics are also sweet but you need to work for your kspace a little more.

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Cosmic Scanner
Overload This
#7 - 2014-11-11 01:56:14 UTC
Some pretty solid advice here. What you go for really depends on what you want to do exactly.

Any wormhole system that has a high sec static normally comes with higher wormhole traffic from other wormholes connected to yours, and from the people in high sec. But then it also gives you easy day to day access to high sec.

The opposite is true for a wormhole with a low or null sec static, likely less traffic but more isolation for the most part in which case you would be relying on wormholes connecting to your system to get supplies in and take loot out.

As C2's have dual statics, they tend to have a little more traffic. C1 + C3 offer a little more isolation compared to C2, but not much more in a case where you have a high sec static.

It might be worth your while joining a well established corp if your new to wormhole space. But if you want to learn by yourself, then go for it, you'll probably make mistakes and take loses along the way, but just learn from it. Just make sure that the assets you take in with you are disposable.

Cosmic Scanner / muu lufragga

Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#8 - 2014-11-11 02:29:14 UTC
i disagree with Mr Jones about your POS. He is coming from the theroy that your POS is your castle, and you need to have a big one in order to be secure, and to thereby secure your wormhole. But let's be Frank (or Ernest).

Frank is more cunning than the average carebear. He realises he is in a 4 man corp (let's assume 4 meatbods, 8 toons, 4 out of corp shopping and probing alts) and that his corporation cannot possibly defend itself against attack, if there is a serious attack mounted.

The utility of a large deathstar is coupled with the cost of maintaining it; the tradeoff here is profitability set off against a day when you actually need to use the defences. However, defences are only as good as those defending it, and since you are noob, i question whether you should sacrifice so much profit for security, or take a bit more risk.

My advice, realistically, is to build two small towers instead of one large. Make sure one tower is online, with a decent show of guns (6 small, one scram, ne web, some ECM's), a couple of hardeners. Repeat the fit for the second POS, but keep it offline. Don't forget the stront. You have 1/4 the fuel bills and equal utility of a large tower.

When logging out of your POS, either do so at a private POS tactical, or do so in a combat battlecruiser and keep a supply of medium MJD's, or in a nullified T3. You can now escape, if smart, from any bubble crepe cage in the unlikely event your online POS is RFéd or stront checked. Remember, people only stront check small POSs of noobs if they are terribly set up.

Secondly, I suggest either a C2 with A239/D382 statics, or E545/N062. The former is a bit better for PVP and PVE, and can be relatively quiet. Lowsec pirates almost never RF POSs. Becuae hisec is via your D382, logistics is not much harder if you aren't completely dimwitted.

The E545/N062 holes are harder to get fuel for, but given the scarcity of active systems in nullsec and the ISK you can get out there even just belt ratting, humping data-relics, etc, it can be very lucrative. The N062 to C5, you can just avoid jumping through it for days at a time if you don't care for PVP. If you don't mind being connected to farmville and get some confidence and a Venture, hello vital and instrumentals and pimp farts.

The other advantage of rolling light on the POSs? You can pack up the whole setup into 2 deep space transports and be out of there inside of 3 hours.
O'nira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-11-11 06:34:00 UTC
i'd suggest just basing in some high sec area and daytripping into whs.

if you move into a c3 the home sites will run out pretty fast, the c2 with high has a c4 static as well wich would be good for farming if you can farm that but i'm not sure if you can with so few without having the sp/knowledge on how to do it.

your static is where most of your money will come from when you move into a wh unless its a c5 or c6.
Blake Nosferatu
Phoenix of the Black Sun
#10 - 2014-11-11 08:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Blake Nosferatu
I would recommend a c4 with statics of c4, c3 and or c1. Id avoid c2's if your main goal is isk due to what other people have said lots of pvp traffic. With the last change c1's have gotten a nice boost with null sites plus more isk and can very easily be solo'd in a decently fit cruiser. C3's were fine before buff but are even better now and can solo them in a drake or harbinger. C4's are great and can be solo'd in a marauder or 3 rr domies but will be risking alot more isk on field then a c1 and c3.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#11 - 2014-11-11 12:26:39 UTC
You should really stick to the idea of setting up camp in a c2. If you can get 3-4 people online to run sites, should get a c3/c4 static, there are boatloads of ideas out there how to create ISK in space.

In a c2, any tower will do it for you. Especially given how cheap a small tower is and how little fuel it requires, could aswell live in a small POS with a SMA and a freight container and once someone actually does shoot that one into RF, you just online your backup tower and move your goods from one to the other.

First time alone in a c2, went with a large tower. It was overkill.