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Expand leadership commands, eliminate ISBoxer

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2014-11-10 20:27:57 UTC
Support it in the client. By making it native to EVE and available to everyone, providing EVE support is a waste of time for ISBoxer especially when it can be done better.

This would also make fleet leadership something revered, and

Fleet / Wing/ Squad commands you need available to commanders are:

align to
approach
warp (at distance)
keep at range
orbit at range
jump
dock

...lock
activate DPS (another option is tying the fleet / wing / squad's guns to the commander's)

activate mining module (from a command orca or rorqual with survey scanner, this would be beautiful)

and allow fleet members to flag themselves exempt from each control command.

objection from people who don't fleet, incoming.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2 - 2014-11-10 20:31:21 UTC
+1 except keep ISBoxer around.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2014-11-10 20:32:41 UTC
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-11-10 20:32:56 UTC
So long as Self-destruct can be fleet issued as well. New level for Awoxxing.
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#5 - 2014-11-10 20:34:07 UTC
Toasting in a droll bread.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2014-11-10 20:34:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Ama Scelesta
#7 - 2014-11-10 20:41:25 UTC
Why would CCP go out of its way to support AFK gameplay when they're intentionally taking steps to making it less rewarding? If anything fleet combat should be moved in the exact opposite direction by making it more involved and active when possible.

ISBoxer doesn't require CCP to do anything and doesn't cost them anything. All CCP cares about is whether or not it breaks any rules and currently it does not. If you're jealous about its capabilities, feel free to get it for yourself.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-11-10 20:58:00 UTC
Rowells wrote:
So long as Self-destruct can be fleet issued as well. New level for Awoxxing.

I like the way this man thinks.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#9 - 2014-11-10 21:56:05 UTC
So ask your very own front running woman to ask for you. Do you not communicate with each other?

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2014-11-10 23:13:47 UTC
I'm actually pretty serious about this one. I think fleet control should be supported in the client.

solves a bit more of the alpha barrier problem. if your fleet has put forth the effort to field ships, let them synchronize.
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#11 - 2014-11-10 23:34:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Commissar Kate
elitatwo wrote:
So ask your very own front running woman to ask for you. Do you not communicate with each other?

Who me?
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#12 - 2014-11-10 23:35:40 UTC
FC's could then take control of people who go AFK if this gets implemented Twisted
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2014-11-10 23:39:31 UTC
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-11-10 23:51:13 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:

align to
approach
warp (at distance)
keep at range
orbit at range
jump
dock

...lock
activate DPS (another option is tying the fleet / wing / squad's guns to the commander's)

So the only thing a nullbear would have to do to "play" the game would be pressing the undock button?

They shouldn't implement any features of iskboxer - on the contrary, they should start enforce their own EULA* and ban people using those features.

*specifically the following sections
"You may not use your own or third-party software to ... change how the Game is played."
"You may not use your own or any third-party software,... that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."
"You may not rewrite or modify the user interface ... in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game."


We all know that CCP won't do that because... $$$.
At least they should stop being so hypocritical and just delete those sections from the EULA.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2014-11-10 23:53:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
uh. or support it, giving everyone the same capabilities. the keyword is synchronized. and a lot of effort went into each ship being in fleet. SP, ISK, irl commitment.

you'd still have to manage drugs and heat, prop mods, cap, etc. what about more space technology is so hard to accept?
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#16 - 2014-11-11 00:38:16 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:

They shouldn't implement any features of iskboxer - on the contrary, they should start enforce their own EULA* and ban people using those features.

*specifically the following sections
"You may not use your own or third-party software to ... change how the Game is played."
"You may not use your own or any third-party software,... that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."
"You may not rewrite or modify the user interface ... in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game."


We all know that CCP won't do that because... $$$.
At least they should stop being so hypocritical and just delete those sections from the EULA.


So, because an ISboxer can work as a perfect communism internally, and can do most things about as well as a well trained fleet (if the ISboxer is good) of the same size, this is the fault of the ISboxer, rather than the people who can't field the same investment of SP and isk as real people, or those too lazy to train pilots to synch their volleys, etc?

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Flying crazier,

And drinking more

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2014-11-11 00:43:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
lol. there's that, and those certain individuals whose killboards reveal they spend their time shooting notprimaries.

there's an upper limit to the number of ships that can be ISBoxed, compared to fleet.

this means the EVE client FC is in fact more powerful than an ISBoxer could be. hands down, would win an engagement with equal numbers every time. am I the only one who gets tingles from the thought of it?

iirc, the reasons for keeping ISBoxer are for things like login, and window arrangement.

sure, the ISBoxer will have added macromanagement support, but the individually-manned fleet will also have the advantage of more responsiveness.

plus if you start running even 10, 20, 30, 50 clients on the same rig, you're going to have problems, and then there's the single point of failure in the internet connection.
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-11-11 01:04:05 UTC
I would support this, but only if it can be limited to mining fleets. Otherwise, this becomes P2W in PvP.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2014-11-11 01:12:25 UTC
you mean because of multiboxing? which isn't a thing. can you multibox 250 accounts? I can't.

things like the stealth nerf wouldn't become a giant tinfoil party, of 'us vs them.' in fact 'us' would do it better.
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#20 - 2014-11-11 01:35:53 UTC
but didn't ccp just make it so that each character could only control a limited number of drones to basically stop exactly what you're asking for?
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