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Is the watermark thing going to be enough, though? Can you just have a separate claim on an obviously derivative work like that?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4826717#post4826717

How long do you expect new eden's pilot to hold and wait? I have the feeling CCP has forgoten all about it by now.

Come on CCP you have lawyers have them publish the rod for the logos alreaddy

Dear Falcon/CCP,

I made an alliance logo June this year, really proud of it and members keep asking about when it will actually end up in-game.

I have to say it's starting to feel a bit unfair seeing all of the other alliances in-game with their custom logos, and not even being able to submit one for ourselves.

As you mentioned in your devblog, alliance logos are an integral part of feeling ownership/identification with a group of players.

We've not had that opportunity for half of a year and what's more, we've not had any progress updates from you since August.

This is such an important feature, and we know you want to get it just right, but please at least keep us posted on any developments. Half a year is a long time to have the submission process closed!

I like the suggestion of watermarking. It seems like a reasonable compromise.

My main suggestion: Make a tool for creating logos on the eve website. I can upload my logo into it, and it allows me to select from a small range of EVE-provided content to add and position where I feel it looks best (simple drag and drop). Better: I can also resize it, with a sensible minimum size.

After this is submitted, someone at CCP looks at it, to check I've not somehow managed to design my image to hide the EVE bit, or whatever (and to check it's not a penis...)

Ideally, you would open this tool while leaving the current logos in game, and then at a certain patch, remove all old ones and put in all new ones at once. I recognise, however, that it would be a bit easier to remove all logos first, and then open up the tool for putting in new ones. We would lose our logo for a month or two, but this would be acceptable.

CCP Falcon: Thank you for fighting for us with the lawyers and your colleagues. When we talked at EGX, I really did get the impression that you care a lot about this. (also, Valkyrie was looking great!)

Regards,

-Ortho

personaly i love how theres not been a response since august and the players have been feeding each other updates instead of ccp

bump

I had a look at the minutes. I was unimpressed.



This is incorrect. Anyone who is in a position to potentially transfer copyright is in a position to transfer a suitably worded perpetual and royalty free licensing arrangement which gives CCP all of the rights needed to exploit the logo in any way shape or form that CCP may think of. Licences to use third party content are common as muck - how do you think that Rockstar North manage to create radio stations in the Grand Theft Auto games that use popular music without getting sued to hell and back? By licensing, of course.



Alas, EULAs don't override national law. There's a whole host of national laws stipulating the form of the transfer of ownership of IP. Indeed, in Germany it's impossible to transfer it in the first place, and many nations need something more binding than a click-through agreement. The submitted content does not and has never belonged to CCP.



A non-exclusive licensing arrangement from the content creator fixes this.

In short, your lawyers are dangerously incompetent at best. You need better lawyers.

Another bump.
I just got done with a draft for my alliance's logo and nearing full refined completion.
Would really like if sometime in the rest of the lifetime of this game it could be utilized for real.

It disgusts me that our CSM reps not only took this lying down, they didn't even seem to really give a ****.

Yeah, Sion Kumitomo. Yeah, mynnna. I'm looking at you. What the hell's the matter with you?