Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The abaddon does about 32% more damage and has 12% less EHP than the absolution and costing about 30% less.

the navy armageddon has 11% more EHP, does 25% more damage and costs 33% more

Maybe battleships could use slightly more EHP but otherwise seems fairly incomparable to me. Perhaps 11-12%... This would make the abaddon equal to the absolution in EHP and widen the gap between the navy geddon and the abaddon.

Everyone used BSes before HACs and tiericide (and T3 cruiser), fwiw.

Unless you've maxed out your fit and still have an empty slot, and there's only something like 3-4 pg and cpu left. Then why not?

Because back then, a BS had the same strategic mobility as a HAC since they had the same warp speed. Deploying 5 system away from home had about 20 seconds total of difference in arrival time because you lost a few seconds on each align but that was all. Now even if the BS had way better EHP, it would still be a strategic choice to either bring the ship wit more staying power or the one who gets there faster.

Hmmm, perhaps once the usefullnes of the fitting service offered by the Nestor has been tried we could consider a module that allows the same function on any BS (leaving the Nestor unique in having it built in). Would be a low slot but would give a BS a new flexibility in gangs and a pair can work together to counter situations as they arise (refit small guns if frigs turn up etc). Being a module means sacrificing some utility in return for basically a plugged in mobile depot.

At which point you might as well use the HAC. And you can Hyperspace fit HAC's also if you want really quick response. Any kind of fit for speed can be done by a lower level of ship also who since it's a percentage gain on rigs actually gain more warp speed in relation.
It just doesn't add up.

Ok, an undo on the movement nerfs might bring BS back into balance in the overall meta, but I just don't see it happening currently. And buffing EHP on BS is not 'power creep'. It's correcting an underpowered item with a suitable buff. Throwing in a boogy man buzz word to scare people isn't the way to analyse an argument. We could instead nerf everything else to stop 'power creep' though, power creep is just a reference to games where nothing is ever nerfed, only buffs to whatever is UP which result in a continual rise in power.

The current situation however is that Battleships got nerfed with the warp changes, and need something back to make up for that. I'd be fine if it was undoing those warp changes but I don't see it happening, so as a Plan B base armour/shield/hull values being bumped is a smaller power change which doesn't have unforeseen carry on effects like buffing PG & introducing a new class of module would. It doesn't even affect active tank really other than maybe very slightly in shield regen so doesn't change who can kill a BS, just how long it takes them to kill a BS.

As I said three weeks ago and last week, battleships are currently not worth the minerals they cost to build.

When tech one cruiser hull very getting buffs, the mineral price increase was justified but some battleships even lost ehp in the rebalance and with the overnerf of warp speeds they lost all of their viability in the process.

So giving them back some ehp where it is due, will not end the world for us (or the world of a game that must never be spoken of).

Sadly it would probably not work because most people would see cruiser and especially HACs as better complete packages.

You've got to count the hull price along with the modules.

I don't have EFT available at this computer, but off the top of my head I recall Abaddon costing almost 300 mil, and Maller costing around 15 mil. After T2 defensive fittings, that would be around 300 mil vs ~25 mil. (These figures may be old.)

That Abaddon does not have 12x the EHP that the Maller has. The Abaddon might have around 150k EHP while the Maller has what, 30k? These figures are off the top of my head, but you can verify the trend fits with whatever the actual values are today.

Maller is cheaper EHP than Abaddon by a long shot.

No it's T2/3 resistances. The same modules don't cause the aforementioned problems in T1, why?

Resistances.

When you have 60% resistance and you add 10,000 HP, you gain 25,000 EHP. When you have 90% resistance and you add 10,000 HP, you gain 100,000 EHP.

Solution: either shrink the T2/3 resistance bonus a bit or shrink their powergrid a bit. If they need so much powergrid to function, why do they need so much resistance? When HACs and strategic cruisers (mainly strategic cruisers) are fitting 1600mm armor plates easily, not only does it demonstrate they have a lot more powergrid than they need, it also is an indicator they don't need high resistances because they are quite capable of fitting a large amount of bonus HP.