Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This ship would be a lot more interesting if it were under 300 000 000 mass. It would enable more nomadic gameplay if it could transit wormholes in the same manner as the orca. The freighter size eliminates many use cases.

RIP the hopes and dreams of small null/lowsec merc crews without titans.

Can it have some doors on the ship maintenance area that open so we can do drive-by's.
Or let pilots dock up in frigates so they can be unleashed in space on any would be attacker.

Guys, I'm just another dumbass redneck indy pilot that knows ****.

Can someone explain why we need a ore hauler?

It's a ship created by Outer Ring Excavations (ORE), not a hauler of raw asteroid material (ore.)

Or, in case I read that wrong, it's because sometimes it is nice to be able to move more than one fitted ship at once. Carrier havers have been able to do this for years; tugs bring the ability to do it without the lengthy carrier skill investment, as well as the ability to do it in highsec.

Good. Good.

+1 overall. I imagine a great deal of content being made at these expense of these.

That's what Jump Beacons are for. But for the sake of argument I concede the occasional use of cynos on stations. That still does not put these ships in any danger as proper fleets to kill of potential bubbles are on the POS. It only takes a couple of ceptors to drive off Sabres or prevent them from decloaking, and a scout on the POS to tell whether there are bubbles or not. It also only takes a couple of ships to remove anchored bubbles, should there be any.



No titan bridge to any of your areas of space cuts through any Low sec. Neither from Deklein to Fountain nor from Deklein to Vale. Moot point. Other areas of conflict I don't consider as they are outside your space. It only takes 12 titan bridges to get from Deklein to the border system in Delve, or 5 to get to border systems in Vale, and none of them come even close to Low sec. What else you do with your titans and bridges is of no concern to me. What is of concern, however, is the fact that ships can be moved with little effort and little Fatigue within your space, and that goes against what Phoebe intends to change.

I don't describe JF as JF cannot move fitted ships and transporting fitted ships with ease is the problem. I also don't describe ceptors as ceptors can only carry 1 pilot through space and not ships for a full squad in a fleet. They sure can move 1 pilot to a stash, but are near useless if there is no stash. And such a stash can be created easily with the Bowheads and of course also JF, albeit with more effort for the transporters. That is a big difference for me.



That fanfic, how you like to call it, is certainly very close to reality. I have already seen super capital camps and roams, albeit only on screenshots of friends. But I have not seen your titans, or any titans for that matter, roaming around, freeing themselves of the shackles that POS and bridge tool impose on them. Correct me, if I am wrong.

My thoughts on the tugbowtieheadthingy...

Needs more capacity - both cargo and SMA space - maybe 20k / 2000k - enough for 4 smaller battleships but only 3 of the over 500k variety. Maybe let the skill level affect both holds too. This is your "I'm a solo pilot and need to move all the things at once" ship. 4k isn't enough space for me to move all my fittings/loot.

The max EHP level is about right, but giving it fitting slots but only (mostly) structure is a reeeeally limited choice. Go with ~18k/18k/18k spread and 4 mids, 4 lows for some actual variety. Make the difficulty of ganking the ship in the figuring out what to expect after scanning the fittings.

Give it a 25/25 drone bay for giggles and mediocre defense ability. C'mon, live a little...

Clearly this new tug ship will open up different possibilities. A courier job, but for ships.

I propose contracts add an option for "Tug Jobs".

Your vignette is becoming increasingly large and infeasible as a result. Trying to argue for the removal of jump fatigue bonuses outside of the band of all other haulers due to an increasingly contrived, infeasible example is poor arguing.


You're arguing unimportant semantics. The original point of this was to describe the languishing of the titan pilot. Lowsec was only mentioned to color the uselessness of the titan's role, as lowsec is a pretty pointless place to be.

Interceptors create zero fatigue, and jump freighters are cheaper and have longer range. Next.

What's so magical about fitted ships? The only advantage the tug affords is the ability to move rigged ships, and rigs are cheap. Maintaining a few strategic caches of ships is also cheaper than the 12 dedicated titans, the POSes for each, the outposts for each, and the 16 associated accounts (read: 12 titan + 4 cyno) subscription fees, paid by plex, not to mention the cost and training time for the tugs themselves. It's far safer and far more efficient to maintain these caches, rig in place, and use interceptors to move.


Ah, yes, the screenshots from friends. Thank you for confirming my suspicions.