Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, but jump freighters can fit quite a few more unrigged ships, and ship them to wherever they are needed. This is quite a bit more efficient than "have everyone train into a niche ship with a requirement outside of all of the ships of the line, then expect fleets of them to waddle towards where the fights are without getting dropped, dragged, or otherwise destroyed due to being, y'know, defenseless, slow industrials."

Also, uh, were you paying attention, like, at all in the last month or so? Are you not aware of the veritable slaughter that occurred on our jump bridges due to the concentrated efforts of one individual? If your "intel channels afford 100% protection against all ganks in 0.0" argument held even a little bit of water, why did we lose billions upon billions of ships in YA0-XJ, on the very jump bridges you decry, with the very intel channels you claim afford invincibility?

Daresay I believe that your playbook runneth a bit thin.

Need more place in the ship maintenance and more tank then its good

With Phoebe jump changes and the reduction in fatigue these could become very popular for nullsec deploying alliances moving their subcaps to a staging point. If you set up a titan chain ahead of time you can regain a (modest) portion of former force projection. Of course the risks are high, a bowhead moving fleet whelp would be absolutely hilarious.

+1

its role bonus is standard for ships designated as "haulers"

We debunked this in an earlier thread with travel industrials. Attempting to set up a single chain like this required 16 accounts, two trillion isk in initial outlay, 16 accounts, and a recurring cost of 13B a month just to cover subscription costs.

Why do this when you can use jump freighters to move packaged ships and interceptors to get places?

The rig slots should be dropped and the hull HP bumped up to a minimum 70k. They should always have 3 Transverse Bulkheads. It's the same issue that arose with the old mining barges or industrials. You had to fit cargo extenders to them to make the ships useful.

The mids and lows are interesting.

however unlike haulers this carries fitted ships, making it more like a carrier than a hauler, just saying.

I tend to agree with you that it's not worth the risk. However, let me point out a few things:

1. It has more armor than, and one more low slot than, the Orca. Drop in an additional reinforced bulkhead and it comes out with roughly the same structure, less shield-tanking ability, and a touch more armor. Overall, they're about the same in terms of EHP. (Mind you, this is still wildly in favor of the Orca considering the relative worth of the cargo involved.)

2. If the mass/agility isn't low/high enough to allow the MWD-into-warp technique, the Bowhead will be almost as vulnerable as a freighter which would reduce it's appeal considerably.

3. The Orca needs high slots to fulfill its role as a command ship. The Bowhead does not. Being able to cloak one would be nice though.

4. Although not absolutely needed for hauling battlecruisers, being able to haul more than one at a time in an Orca would be a welcome benefit to the Bowhead and may make for a more justifiable risk situation.

5. Although I'm pretty sure that this will have more EHP potential than any one battleship, it's far harder to say the same about any two or three battleships. This also factors into my unfavorable assessment of the Bowhead's utility.

I'll pass as well.

With that much ability to move crap, too much tank. High sec doesn't need more safety net.

I'm a little disappointed in the size of the bay.

This ship has a bay that is just too small to fit 3 of the largest battleships (Machariel)

CCP please can you consider giving it that level of space in the bay. This ship has interesting implementations and i am impressed with everything else on it i just think that maybe that value needs to be looked at a little.

Thanks Vulfen