Ships & Modules

Or is it pretty much just all SB's now?

Pilgrim is complete junk. Read this thread - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=357311

I literally just came to Ships & Modules to argue that the Pilgrim needs a serious boost. My main has Recon V and all cap/armor/drone skills maxed out, and the Pilgrim is just completely useless. You will never break 200 DPS, you will never be able to tank anything serious with 5 low slots as an armor boat, to engage anything with your neuts you have to close to 10KM and engage with your AB+scram. After that you are literally a sitting duck, good luck.

The sad truth is that stealth bombers are MUCH better for the same role, and cost 5x cheaper. Yes, they don't have those magical neuts, but when you have no uncloaking delay and 4x more DPS with the ability to dictate range much more easily, you can do the same job the Pilgrim is designed for MUCH better.

CCP needs to give the Pilgrim slightly more cap, maybe another low, maybe more drone bandwidth, SOMETHING to make it useful. Right now all it can solo-hunt is industrials, miners, T1 cruisers and maybe BCs if you are lucky.

The other recons are different. Arazu shuts down ships completely and dictates range. Falcon shuts down ships completely and dictates range. Rapier stops ships completely, dictates range, and has lots of applications in PvE. Pilgrim? Pilgrim only works against turret ships. And if for some reason you wanted to neut someone (which doesn't stop autocannons, missiles, or passive tanks), have fun getting within your 12km neut range. Yes, the Pilgrim should not be a solo pwnmobile, you are right. But it should not be useless either. Right now it's useless for "augmenting" anything and any other recon is more desirable in a gang. It's not good solo or in gang.

I would like to say something. Been flying pilgrim a lot in the past for SOLO PVP. in FACTION WARFARE. Land of small gangs, because everyone wants to kill a recon.

Now, first of all, spending literally weeks in this ship I released a few rules for it : http://dvesk.blogspot.cz/2013/05/rules-of-pilgrim-pilot.html

Also,I released two pvp videos, mainly using pilgrim:
1st : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSx-OMZbYUg&list=UUpXKxq74SkRT9N_BREuEPaQ
2nd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwBpouh81mU&list=UUpXKxq74SkRT9N_BREuEPaQ

My final fit that I've used with great success was ( keep in mind killed around 100 ships before loosing it, was flying with it for a whole month): https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18425599

REFER TO THIS WEBSITE" https://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1081690&m=5&y=2013&view=ships_weapons

Note 115 kills with a pilgrim per month. Drop your mouth, yes I actually did that mostly solo.

Faction fit that i've linkes is mostly focused on things that people b.i.t.c.h about when it comes down to pilgrim:
NEut range
tank
Range control.

So here you are, all whiners: fit that i've used was designed to control range of 12km. out of scram range!

Now, a very important thing why pilgrim is different from other ships. It is not for impatient people. And it is NUMBER ONE when it comes down to ambushing people.

Let me explain the tactics that i've used with it in faction warfare ( before some major changes focused on cloaking inside a plex).


I used to get inside a plex, cloak up and send my alt in a dessy/frigate or cruiser (usually a dessy or frigate) to sit at warp in for initial tackle.
Once the target gets inside, I tackle it, uncloak and neut/web etc etc.My alt is able to burn away ( dont really need to do anything with it) and my pilgrim proceeds with slow death. Yes, unfortunately, slow.
I think pilgrim has one of the best enemy neutralization abilities. If target has turrents , TD messes his guns completely. If target uses ANY active tank , or AB, or even invul = neuts kills it in few cycles.
So its target range is good. But, of course need to be smart in picking fights. Thats why covert cloak is for. You dont fight if u cant win, or if enemy knows you are here. for rules, please refer to myu "Rules of a pilgrim pilot" article.

However, after FW changes to plex, my old tactic became useless and with new Stratios introduced..I think stratios is better. You can operate it in a same way as a pilgrim, but with alot more DPS and more RAW hp. OF course, in some ways its not as effective and neuts,tds are not as strong, but I simply think its better. Sad, because I love pilgrim as a ship.

There are still ways how to use pilgrim, but when thinking about it, I would suggest getting used to the idea that it is a "covert hunter". Which means that you need to be sneaky, cloaky and deadly. Element of surprise is your advantage and you need to come up with convenient tactics in order to hunt down cautious people.

If anyone have any questions regarding using a pilgrim for solo, you can always contact me, each pilgrim loss comes with a reason and I can tell you a lot of stories during my "Pilgrimage road" in EVE online.


Edit: and it is partly true that drone based ships are very dangerous, but it depends if your target is a good drone user or not. Against drone boats, all I can say is: "Drone wars". literally. the one who wins it, wins the fight. at least mentally.

Thanks, do you really think so?



The same fit that everyone else has. There's really no variation or experimentation possible here.



"Excells at offering you the ability to GTFO"? Have you ever flown a Pilgrim? When your paltry 200 DPS fails to kill your target after 5 minutes and his friends show up, you are sitting in an AB boat with a 10KM effective range, a 6 second align time, and most likely no way to disengage. You can literally be kited by anything in the game.



I suggest you reread it then. Look at posts #9, #10, #11, #12, #14.

There is no need to be upset. I can get 100 kills in any ship I want and call it a good ship if I cherry pick my fights and trick people into thinking they're fighting a T1 destroyer with my alt.

Your experience here is irrelevant as your awful fit still tanks less than an Incursus, does less damage than pretty much every T1 cruiser, and can be soloed by any competent pilot with an MWD as you try to catch him with your 1600mm plate and AB, unless you go for the really clueless ones that stick around for the 6-8 seconds it takes for you to uncloak and lock them (and it seems you do).

No one would want you in a cloaky SB/Recon gang either, because while everyone uncloaks at 20-40KM and kites with ECM/damps/webs/long point, you are slow and useless to your gang unless you close in to 10KM and ruin the whole point of a recon gang. If you're trying to break an active tank, say, on a missioning battleship in lowsec, bringing an extra SB for the DPS works out much better than trying to actually close in with a Pilgrim and neut. If you're attacking someone with a buffer fit, which by the way has been the FOTM in EVE for the past year, then a Pilgrim becomes even more useless.

1. Post on your main and stop criticizing the fits and tactics of people that have flown the ship extensively.

2. You seem to be missing the point entirely: Pilgrim is used most effectively in the solo role for ganking clueless mission bears, or in a fleet role for getting initial tackle on a more capable PVP target as long you've got support on the way.

3. I'm quite familiar with that thread as I posted in it multiple times. I even wrote post #12, if you hadn't noticed...and It still doesn't say that the Pilgrim is a bad ship...

4. I'm not going to sit here and argue that recent expansions haven't brought new ships to the table that do cloaky ganks just as well if not better than the Pilgrim, but the OP asked whether or not the Pilgrim was obsolete in favor of Bombers. The answer to that - as long as you're not a complete ****** and you use it in its intended role - is a definite no.

5. The Stratios' hull is currently about twice the price of a Pilgrim's and it doesn't have a bonus to Neuts or TD. Ergo, the Pilgrim is still the best option to fill the cloaky cap warfare role at that price range. You wanna pay more? Get a Legion.



Hmmm, you couldn't possibly mean like literally any other cloaky ship in the game... Have YOU ever flown a Pilgrim? Have you ever flown anything at all? Cause there isn't a cloaky ANYTHING in the game that isn't gonna be kited or melted when his friends land on you. If you're not gone by then you fail, and whether you like hearing it or not, you're probably better off in a Pilgrim than you are in any of the other Recons.

Stop whining about how the Pilgrim isn't a win button and instead start using using it the way it was intended to be used. Learn to adapt your skills or acquire some patience. Nobody said that PVPing with a Pilgrim was easy, but that doesn't change the fact that people still use them.

Nasty little ship in the right hands.

sure? 547dps (without implants!) is bigger than 200, isn't it? And the following Fitting is not completely ****, even though it sacrifices the neuts for more deeps. Besides this it tanks 855dps and after one rack of Cap Boosters has I think 52k EHP if I remember correctly. Never flown it, because I use seldomly the pilgrim and when I fly it, I do because of the neuting, but this can definetly be a wtf surprise for passive tanked ships, where Neuts would not help so much. Vespas, not Neuts for GTFO possibility. Only thing it really missis is a web. You can squeeze it in of course, but loose a lot of tank.

It will not work miracles, but 547dps from a CovertOps ship is not bad. I think only the Proteus and Stratios can do more, but at the same moment cost a lot more. ;)

Pilgrim, PvP]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Hammerhead II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5

Besides this I agree completely with Secrequal, that currently the Stratios is so much better then the Pilgrim for solo-hunting as it offers much more Options to fight! That's why I nearly never fly Pilgrim, but when just for the reason I have this ship in my Hangar. Once it dies, I would not replace it at the moment.

PS: @Upset: Because of Neuts and Drone Bay, this ship has one of the best GTFO Options a Tackler can have. If you get kited from your initial target, you did something wrong, but even then you should still have your ECM Drones...

Even being the opposite side of the table from this guy and complete enemies this guy makes the best point on the thread which I am assuming others have made as well. Why fly something that was intended for something else when they have something for that.

It's like a petulant child whining about not getting there way at Christmas when they have gotten all they have asked for. The Pilgrim isn't intended for solo hunting; they didn't build the falcon that way, they din't build any of the recon ships that way.. They built them with the idea that they would counter fleets well, and provide good SUPPORT to the fleet. This is a MMO' if you are trying to find something that works and the thing you find isn't working then you go to the forums and complain about it; expect to get good points on why it isn't working.

Don't be mad man, just fly A stratios or a strat cruiser - that simple...matter of factly; the legion with a pilgrim type fit does MORE dps, tanks more, and give about the same range plus the general fear factor of it being a legion. So LOL enjoy I guess? Sorry goonie but nice retort though.