Player Features and Ideas Discussion

350k ehp, according to my suicide ganking spreadsheet at least, would take about 1 billion isk of Talos's, or 20 to 30 catalysts to take it down in a 0.5 system.

I guess it depends what you are looking at having it transport though, if it is 3 faction or T2 battleships then I would think ehp should be higher. Perhaps 500k ehp would be a nice number.

At what skill level is the 3 battleship mark met? It would be nice if level 4 of the new skill would enable 1.5m hangar capacity. Training up freighters to lvl 5 has been a real pita in the past, and since most lvl5 reqs usually get toned down to 4 later on it would be nice in this case also. EHP could be a bit higher; mobile missioners will be carrying at least 2 marauders in the bowhead, raising loot value well over 2B. With about 1B in gank ships needed this is way too profitable.

Who ganks for profit anymore, though? I've seen ganks on tank-fit Charons not carrying anything.

Also, pre-empting the people who are going to complain about the fatigue bonus it gets, if you're concerned about people moving ships en masse with these to staging systems, they don't carry very many ships. You'd need tons of these for a single fleet.

All in All I like it.

I would like to see an extra mid, putting it more in line with an Orca.. Seeing as how it doesn't have highs or drones.. So 0/4/3.
Love that the HP is getting a buff.
Love that the speed bonus might be changed for an agility bonus.. though Warpspeed would be <3

Would like to see a little more Cargo.. Really don't want to have to carry around Industrial(s) in the main bay just to haul around more ammo.. I'd rather see 6-8000.. Or add a Corp Hangar like an Orca has with a few thousand m3..

All in all though I like it :)

You do realize that you can already move 1,1mil m3 of fitted catalyst using freighter and courier contract?

good change.

as for HP I think that 3 t2 bs'es with t2 rigs (faction fit travel in separate much safer transport i presume) should be a baseline, so assuming 1-2 of the three drops (if drop is fixed at all) thats 1-2b drop and 4b tears. sooo 2b worth of taloses of damage in ehp please?

Says "we aren’t really worried about hitting anything outside of the high-sec application",
gives it 90% reduction in jump fatigue generation.

In other words, "We nerfed jump bridges but we feel bad so use this to move your ships with much less fatigue".
For reference 1.6 Mill m3 is 96 fitted harpies, and yes I used harpies for a specific reason.

the 400-500k range seems much more favourable to seeing this getting used, as opposed to just following the current methods, pilot the battleships, or freighter haul hulls.

However, I'm still confused about something; if you want to encourage the players to escort and defend their industrials, why do you then make this ship hull tanked? There are no effective remote hull repair ships for high sec (assuming you had capital remotes for your carrier, and even that isnt efficient) , but if this had its primary hp in shields, then at least a gang of logistics would be able to defend it against heavy dps, without slave implant sets blowing the hp out of proportion. Opens up options.

Yes, You need a few guys with these and you can move your 200 man harpy blob to anywhere in New Eden with tiny amounts of fatigue. GG CCP nerf something and then create a solution straight away,

You have to put all your eggs in one basket to do so.

CCP is hoping to encourage strikes at choke points as evidenced by the push to use stargates more. A good portion of the complaints made by people about these types of changes always seem to neglect geographical strategy.