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What exactly is the "new direction"
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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#21 - 2011-12-14 21:26:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
yer mammy wrote:
bornaa wrote:

Says guy in NeX shirt... Lol


they were free, you know...


Of all the players in eve, I hope you are proud to look the most like a parrot.


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...The cracker was ofc a lie.

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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#22 - 2011-12-14 21:31:57 UTC
Beaches wrote:
Those 8% represent a lot more than 8,000 raw subscription fees, think about all the PLEX sales/use they lost in those numbers. I don't really know though, I have no numbers and am just guessing. Anyway 10% of total revenue is very substantial, especially if it continues to roll downhill which in the mmo industry could be fatal.

Also, remember how little blue posts there were before? What community management was actually going on? I'm pretty sure the fact that they would only log on to indiscriminately ban people and lock threads was telling of the general work environment of that branch.
Yes, I could imagine a knock on effect with alts subbed with PLEX etc. Shame we will never now know as the quarterly report has been suppressed because it's no longer a good news story.

Yes, any double digit loss of income is bad, but if that's all it took then CCP must be effectively running on empty at a corporate level, if not EVE. If I ran my business where a 10% revenue hit would put me under I would rethink what I was doing. However, you are right if they saw no end to the trend it probably would have been fatal. You don't need to lose all your customers, just enough to make your operation unsustainable.

As for the original community reps, I suspect they were being fed the same lines as the rest of us.
Beaches
Doomheim
#23 - 2011-12-14 21:42:21 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Beaches wrote:
Those 8% represent a lot more than 8,000 raw subscription fees, think about all the PLEX sales/use they lost in those numbers. I don't really know though, I have no numbers and am just guessing. Anyway 10% of total revenue is very substantial, especially if it continues to roll downhill which in the mmo industry could be fatal.

Also, remember how little blue posts there were before? What community management was actually going on? I'm pretty sure the fact that they would only log on to indiscriminately ban people and lock threads was telling of the general work environment of that branch.
Yes, I could imagine a knock on effect with alts subbed with PLEX etc. Shame we will never now know as the quarterly report has been suppressed because it's no longer a good news story.

Yes, any double digit loss of income is bad, but if that's all it took then CCP must be effectively running on empty at a corporate level, if not EVE. If I ran my business where a 10% revenue hit would put me under I would rethink what I was doing. However, you are right if they saw no end to the trend it probably would have been fatal. You don't need to lose all your customers, just enough to make your operation unsustainable.

As for the original community reps, I suspect they were being fed the same lines as the rest of us.



Yes, but also think of how scary the MMO industry is in particular. A game is proclaimed "dead" subscription losses spiral out of control, the universe starts to empty, economy falters, game declines, very hard to retain new subscriptions, becomes really "dead". If there was another viable sandbox out there, they could have been really hurt I imagine.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-12-14 21:54:34 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Rixiu wrote:
CCP took eve players money for granted. Then they realised that's not the case when 8% quit in the months following incarna. Trying to get these players back is the "new direction".
I've often wondered about this.

If 8% was all it needed for they to sack 20% of their staff, all but can a game and do a 180 degree change of plans on another, how precarious is the financial state?

This isn't an "EVE is dying!!" claim just an open question.


They were probably trying to develop a bit too much for a studio that really only had one moderately successful MMO as a source of finance, and no other game development history afaik.
Skinae
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-12-14 22:01:00 UTC
The new direction is claiming things are "fixed" by increasing their DPS by 5%. Roll

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mkint
#26 - 2011-12-14 22:32:15 UTC
Once upon a time CCP valued their players. Then they got arrogant and took on a f*ck the players attitude. There was almost no work at all on EVE for about 2 years. Players revolted, numbers plummeted, CCP sh!t bricks. Now instead of valuing no one, they value nullbear RMTers, f*ck everyone else. EVE is still broken, CCP is still broken.

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Eric Torset
Second Six Corporation
#27 - 2011-12-14 22:53:02 UTC
Any idea where I can find details on all these shenanigans? I had no idea this was going on. I left the game two years ago when a series of in-game losses became too much to recover. I was in Star Wars Galaxies when the NGE fiasco happened. This smells a little bit like that? Is EVE still bleeding players are has the "new direction" staunched the flow?

BTW For anyone who doesn't know. Star Wars Galaxies goes dark tomorrow (12/15). When it started, it was a sandbox as grand and freeform as EVE. Through bad management decisions they killed that and made a WOW-in-space clone, effectively alienating their entire user base. I've heard it got better, but alas the end is here. I really enjoyed the early days of SWG. Hopefully this little speed bump doesn't send EVE careening down the same path.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-12-15 22:02:18 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
Eric Torset wrote:
Any idea where I can find details on all these shenanigans? I had no idea this was going on. I left the game two years ago when a series of in-game losses became too much to recover. I was in Star Wars Galaxies when the NGE fiasco happened. This smells a little bit like that? Is EVE still bleeding players are has the "new direction" staunched the flow?

BTW For anyone who doesn't know. Star Wars Galaxies goes dark tomorrow (12/15). When it started, it was a sandbox as grand and freeform as EVE. Through bad management decisions they killed that and made a WOW-in-space clone, effectively alienating their entire user base. I've heard it got better, but alas the end is here. I really enjoyed the early days of SWG. Hopefully this little speed bump doesn't send EVE careening down the same path.


you have to search the old forum archives for that,be prepared for a very long read:

short version CCP ****** up,players unhappy ............ players begin protest by shooting a statue in Jita,Jita in constant lag..........................CCP keeps his silence,players unsubbing.............................CCP in panic.......................ccp a blog where CCP tells everybody about the company will refocus in FIS again.................................sometime later ccp introduce crubicle (new bc,new nebulae,direction orientated gates,a lot of nerfs favouring the gallentehybrids ,in only 6 weeks .yeah right) .................
Community happy for a short time ,bc of bugs and silence from CCP on unhappy threads in this forum,happy times begin to fade

R.S.I2014
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-12-15 22:09:31 UTC
Devs talk on the forums more

Devs boosted Caldari - Raven, Hybrid

new little things

new direction is going where eve should have been going actually - saw it in some devblog

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
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