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Why I don't go to lowsec.

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Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
#61 - 2014-11-09 09:12:49 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
You(op) sound like Yossarian from Catch 22.



I like that movie.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#62 - 2014-11-09 09:25:36 UTC
How did lowsec become the parking lot from the movie Dawn of the Dead?


What are these people doing when nobody is trying to pass through their gate camps?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2014-11-09 10:11:37 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
I do PI in low-sec and all I ever see are noob-ships and cynos.


I make cynos in lowsec and all I ever see is Tornadoes =(

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
How did lowsec become the parking lot from the movie Dawn of the Dead?


What are these people doing when nobody is trying to pass through their gate camps?


I wonder about this sometimes.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#64 - 2014-11-09 10:36:15 UTC
Tollen Gallen wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
You(op) sound like Yossarian from Catch 22.



I like that movie Book.

Blink

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#65 - 2014-11-09 10:38:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Some Rando wrote:
afkalt wrote:
You know, it wouldnt kill you to give the guys some advice.

Check out OP's killboard page; he used to live in null-sec and has been out in low-sec shooting people on quite a few occasions. So, either he's a complete troll or he refuses to learn how to get around space. In either case, advice is not what he needs.



More like I used to live in lowsec. The whole null thing was me attempting to live there (not actually living in null), and leaving after I continued to lose ships. The last ship was when I decided to not lose anymore, but then somoene sitting on station had coms to a T2 frigate blob on the other side of a gate, and I just happened to be the unlucky SOB who warped too that gate.

The living in lowsec was okay for a while, until the butterfly effect caused some ruckus, you know, the usual blobs, a guy with 30 alts harassing the corp to death was why I left why was no one willing to attempt a group effort? I attempted to smartbomb all those thrashers with a dominix but it was on the wrong resists, then I was recruited by another corp in the alliance, Another part of lowsec and I was looting a still active battlefield until some russians decided it funny to chase me about with interceptors.


After some in life events that kept me off eve due to losing my computer. I came back and decided low wasn't a good idea anymore. I only really feel safe entering that lowsec pocket I used to live in, even with the new residents.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Claud Tiberius
#66 - 2014-11-09 11:01:49 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
*snip*

Exploring on your own has risks.
Some routes are busier than others.
It takes experience and knowledge to fully navigate eve safely. Intel is power.

Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#67 - 2014-11-09 11:25:38 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
...which is why I won't even bother telling you the 8 things you did wrong here.

Oohh...

Please tell me, I'd like to know. Send me an EVE Mail if you like...
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#68 - 2014-11-09 12:35:51 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I only really feel safe entering that lowsec pocket I used to live in, even with the new residents.

Safety in EVE? Shocked

Remove standings and insurance.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#69 - 2014-11-09 17:39:03 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
...which is why I won't even bother telling you the 8 things you did wrong here.

Oohh...

Please tell me, I'd like to know. Send me an EVE Mail if you like...


# 1, he installed EVE. The other 7 are availoable for 50 bucks or 4 plex (I learned to do that by watcing CCP)!

But for real though, this guy doesn't have the right mentality for low and null. I just read one of his post where he said he doesn't "feel safe" in low except in the pocket he used to live in.

You aren't supposed to "feel safe" ANYWHERE in EVE (I don't, this is why I've gone 7 years without getting ganked, for example). Not feeling safe is the name of the game. When a player understands that, they pay attention to the game mechanics, learns how to be safer and thus how to function in the game.

What happens a lot of times, though, is that a player will prove unteachable/unable to adapt and they will then blame the game for that while removing themselves to the shallow end of EVE (high sec). I say that's not a terrible thing, not everyone is mentally agile enough to play the game in the areas of the game that don't artificially hold their hands.

And I'm not totally judging here, I myself have had a hard time adapting to wormhole space, so I learned "Jenn belongs in K space" rather than complained on a public forum about how the wormholes need to change.
Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2014-11-09 23:02:31 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
People constantly go after me for suggesting the boogyman is around every corner in lowsec, anyone, everyone + their alts and PL dreads are all after you specifically you and only you just because you are in lowsec.

So I hadn't entered lowsec in months but the *content* decided to send me there, and while most supposed "carebears" would not do it I decided I would, since there might be an A-type in it at the end. Lets face it though, everyone is considered a carebear of some sort by everyone else.


So I get my destroyer, the first jump is clear, second jump is a full overview gatecamp, and the game decided that this was the jump to not select the next stargate but the previous stargate, so I lost my pod too. Wouldn't have mattered, I tried again with a tristan, all lows and rigs with low friction nozzle joints and nanofiber hull, lost that but jumped through.

I docked at a station, but what do you know? Only t2 modules for sale in the land of bittervets who love camping. So I fit a tristan and undock *instadied*, figures...

So I fit another one? The guy looted my wreck and left, thankfully the site was only a few frigates, but nothing dropped except a meta autocannon, i'm surprised at this point I wasn't probed down before even seeing the probed on d-scan, like what happened to my astero with that ancillary shield interceptor whom I obviously wasn't going to be able to kill because *one module to rule them all* ancillaries being as OP as they are.


So at least I left lowsec alive, the whole gatecamp jumped through with me, but only locked me and didn't scram. Maybe they figured it wasn't worth the kill this time, and I can't even get anything off the killrights, because 2 out of the 3 have a billion + in bounty and are all minus security status, even if they entered highsec who would need the killright to shoot?


Lowsec is "murphies law online". Might be a reason right there why so few use the "lowsec content". Won't be making that mistake again. Where's the reward for my risk? People suggest better ships, but why throw more isk into the grinder? That obviously doesn't make sense.

Edit: fixed some of the mangled words.


Low sec at a minimum requires some alts and some experience in order to be safe. That's at a minimum, but you don't need the alts or experience if you have a group of friends. That's the hostility toward carebears. There is a lot of ratting and industry done in low, even some mining, but it is generally done by groups who know their area and work together to exploit it successfully.

If you just all by yourself decide to dive on in to low sec, you have about as much chance of getting your butt handed to you as a guy who closes his eyes and dives off the side of a building has of hitting the ground in a painful way.

It's not that the game is broken, it's that your play style and/or your social group is not suited for low. I'm not digging at you. Stay in highest if you want. Highseccers are important for the game. We need those loot drops and that ore. But if you want to go to low, join a corp that operates there. Make sure they are a corp that doesn't make their ISK on high sec alts. Most low sec corps like a certain amount of PvP involvement, but with some effort you'll be able to find a corp that will support you as a low sec ratter.

Eve is a game with a learning curve. You just gotta learn low sec if you want to be there. It's better to live there than just head there once in a while for a lark. After you've lived there and know how low sec works, you can move back to high and use your knowledge to foray into low on occasion.

Also, protip: You can fit a fitted frigate in the fleet hangar bay of a Deep Space Transport. You can also package one and fit it with modules in a Blockade Runner. Those ships are suited to going through low sec border systems. Low sec in a lot of cases, gets less dangerous the deeper into it you go. The border systems from high to low, especially on 'pipelines' are quite often very heavily camped. But you'll find out about this from a good low sec corp if you join one.
Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#71 - 2014-11-09 23:12:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

Buffed up sentry guns would end these stupid gate camps, and create more conflict in the systems rather than just gatecamp massacres. Might make people actually WANT to LIVE in lowsec.


It would result in much, much less conflict.

Because one of the few places you can actually catch people is on gates.

And as for making people want to live in lowsec, the solution is simple. Highsec needs to be savagely nerfed, so it doesn't overshadow lowsec.


Highsec has been nerfed enough, buff low and null.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#72 - 2014-11-09 23:16:28 UTC
Mharius Skjem wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

Buffed up sentry guns would end these stupid gate camps, and create more conflict in the systems rather than just gatecamp massacres. Might make people actually WANT to LIVE in lowsec.


It would result in much, much less conflict.

Because one of the few places you can actually catch people is on gates.

And as for making people want to live in lowsec, the solution is simple. Highsec needs to be savagely nerfed, so it doesn't overshadow lowsec.


Highsec has been nerfed enough, buff low and null.


No. Inflation is a bad thing.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#73 - 2014-11-09 23:39:20 UTC
Mharius Skjem wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

Buffed up sentry guns would end these stupid gate camps, and create more conflict in the systems rather than just gatecamp massacres. Might make people actually WANT to LIVE in lowsec.


It would result in much, much less conflict.

Because one of the few places you can actually catch people is on gates.

And as for making people want to live in lowsec, the solution is simple. Highsec needs to be savagely nerfed, so it doesn't overshadow lowsec.


Highsec has been nerfed enough, buff low and null.


Nullsec is already more profitable and less risky than highsec. The problem with lowsec isn't rewards, its the pathetic gatecamps that stifle play. If anything highsec needs massive buffs to counteract the gankers/wardeccers/awoxers, etc.... and to make it more profitable than ultra safe blue donut space.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#74 - 2014-11-09 23:49:52 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
The problem with lowsec isn't rewards, its the pathetic gatecamps that stifle play.


Then there is no problem. I rolled through half of Caldari lowsec this morning with an alt in a Recon Cruiser. I had to turn my cloak on maybe six times the whole trip, and that was just a precaution.

Didn't see a gatecamp of any description.

Quote:

If anything highsec needs massive buffs to counteract the gankers/wardeccers/awoxers, etc.... and to make it more profitable than ultra safe blue donut space.


The opposite is true. If anything it needs nerfed to counteract the true causes of inflation. Chief among them are those incursion runners who just sit around and grind all day, bringing everyone else's plex prices up with their fattening themselves in complete safety.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#75 - 2014-11-09 23:58:32 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


The opposite is true. If anything it needs nerfed to counteract the true causes of inflation. Chief among them are those incursion runners who just sit around and grind all day, bringing everyone else's plex prices up with their fattening themselves in complete safety.


Such nonsense, if incursions were flooding eve with cheap isk not only would plex be inflating but SO WOULD EVERYTHING ELSE AT AN EQUAL RATE. Instead, everything else is actually DEFLATING. Diagnosis - too much easy mining (especially in nullsec) and TOO LITTLE NEW ISK. What you should really advocate for is higher highsec incursion rewards to balance the excessive mining and combat the dangerous deflation that is driving up plex prices.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#76 - 2014-11-10 00:03:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Veers Belvar wrote:

Such nonsense, if incursions were flooding eve with cheap isk not only would plex be inflating but SO WOULD EVERYTHING ELSE AT AN EQUAL RATE.


Economics, learn some.


Quote:


Instead, everything else is actually DEFLATING.


If true, good. But I imagine that has more to do with the last few patches and the industry changes more than anything else.

Quote:

Diagnosis - too much easy mining (especially in nullsec) and TOO LITTLE NEW ISK.


Considering that the vast, vast majority of mining goes on in highsec, looks like we need to buff ganking.

Quote:

What you should really advocate for is higher highsec incursion rewards to balance the excessive mining and combat the dangerous deflation that is driving up plex prices.


Deflation does not drive up prices. Especially not with currency that is pretty much only backed by one substance.

Did you even go to highschool?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#77 - 2014-11-10 00:08:00 UTC
Seriously? Do you have any grasp of economics? Roll

Try to figure this one out. Mining increases....resources become more common...as do ships and mods. Thus it takes less effort to acquire them. This means that their time value decreases, as does their $$$ value. The $$$ price of plex is fixed. Thus, we would expect the isk price of plex to go up and isk price of ships/mods to go down. Oh gee....exactly what is happening. And nothing to do with Eve flooding with isk, which would keep the $$$ of ships/mods fixed, and would mean that the isk price of plex and ships/mods would both increase in equal proportion.

But hey, yo, simple economics, highschool, and it's obviously those incursion runners. Shocked
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#78 - 2014-11-10 00:11:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Keep defending the golden goose, Tears.

But we all know that increasing average wealth without corresponding loss causes inflation. That's pretty much the definition.

And the major culprit of that is highsec incursions, since it's the most consistent personal income in the game. You guys are printing money there, thanks largely to the over buffed safety of highsec. You fatten yourselves up at the expense of the rest of the game. Despicable.

[edit: Are you freaking serious? "less effort to acquire them results in higher prices"? So, easier to obtain somehow leads to more scarcity? Are you high again?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#79 - 2014-11-10 00:13:20 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Keep defending the golden goose, Tears.

But we all know that increasing average wealth without corresponding loss causes inflation. That's pretty much the definition.

And the major culprit of that is highsec incursions, since it's the most consistent personal income in the game. You guys are printing money there, thanks largely to the over buffed safety of highsec. You fatten yourselves up at the expense of the rest of the game. Despicable.


Actually if the supply of stuff is INCREASING faster than the supply of ISK, that's called DELFATION not INFLATION. Inflation isn't about how much isk is in circulation, it's about the relative ratio of isk to stuff. I mean seriously, learn economics.

Also, bounties eclipse incursions by a 3-1 ratio, so if there was inflation (which of course there isn't), the culprit would be the folks in null AFK ratting, not incursion runners. Shocked
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#80 - 2014-11-10 00:16:41 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Inflation isn't about how much isk is in circulation


You heard it here folks. Inflation has nothing to do with currency devaluation.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.