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EVE Online Bounty Corporation

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EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
#1 - 2014-11-09 12:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2014-11-09 12:22:08 UTC
Catt Stevens
Karusaka Family
#3 - 2014-11-09 12:25:54 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:


Speculation? Or Disbelief ?
Just Give MeISK
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-11-09 12:29:57 UTC
Looks very good, Cant wait to start using this service

Keep up the good work
Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#5 - 2014-11-09 12:40:48 UTC
Great new, original way of serving the EVE Online player base.

I fully endorse this service.

Please OP, keep us apraised of your success in this endeavour.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#6 - 2014-11-09 13:27:24 UTC
If this is legit, this could become a great thing.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
#7 - 2014-11-09 13:31:46 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
If this is legit, this could become a great thing.



I am completed legitimate.

The whole reason I am doing this is because I want to make bounty hunting a viable profession in the game as well as ensuring that the people who place bounties actually feel like there is a good chance of the bounty being fulfilled.

I do hope it will become a great thing :)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2014-11-09 14:09:45 UTC
EVE Online Bounty wrote:
Mike Adoulin wrote:
If this is legit, this could become a great thing.



I am completed legitimate.

The whole reason I am doing this is because I want to make bounty hunting a viable profession in the game as well as ensuring that the people who place bounties actually feel like there is a good chance of the bounty being fulfilled.

I do hope it will become a great thing :)

i hope so, good luck.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#9 - 2014-11-09 14:32:40 UTC
There's definitely room for a service like this in Eve but this iteration is not the one to take that spot.

First of all there's no credible person to stand responsible for the service. Just an alt created for it.

Secondly the fee is too small for me to be convinced that this is anything other than a scam with the goal of running off with the bounty pool.

1%. That means that if you verify a kill on a bounty of 100 million then you earn 1 million isk. A 1 billion bounty would be extremely rare and even then you wouldn't collect more than 10 million.

The isk collected in fees won't even be worth a fraction of the human effort required to maintain this service in the long run. You could say that you'll be running it out of kindness of your heart but even if you meant it. It wouldn't be sustainable without being an actual business with a motivation to maintain it.

The fee would have to be at least 10%. Probably 30% since most bounties will be in the 50-100 million isk range.

Even at 30% it would still be a viable business since the isk comes from the client and the goal of the client is to have someone killed. The client doesn't care what share the bounty hunter gets as long as the target is killed. It is after all the clients you want to attract, You would have the bounty hunters regardless.

But then the business would need a credibly member of the Eve community to stand as responsible for it before people would be willing to use it.

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EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
#10 - 2014-11-09 14:37:56 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
There's definitely room for a service like this in Eve but this iteration is not the one to take that spot.

First of all there's no credible person to stand responsible for the service. Just an alt created for it.

Secondly the fee is too small for me to be convinced that this is anything other than a scam with the goal of running off with the bounty pool.

1%. That means that if you verify a kill on a bounty of 100 million then you earn 1 million isk. A 1 billion bounty would be extremely rare and even then you wouldn't collect more than 10 million.

The isk collected in fees won't even be worth a fraction of the human effort required to maintain this service in the long run. You could say that you'll be running it out of kindness of your heart but even if you meant it. It wouldn't be sustainable without being an actual business with a motivation to maintain it.

The fee would have to be at least 10%. Probably 30% since most bounties will be in the 50-100 million isk range.

Even at 30% it would still be a viable business since the isk comes from the client and the goal of the client is to have someone killed. The client doesn't care what share the bounty hunter gets as long as the target is killed. It is after all the clients you want to attract, You would have the bounty hunters regardless.

But then the business would need a credibly member of the Eve community to stand as responsible for it before people would be willing to use it.


That is actually what I am working on at the moment, to get someone credible to stand in and say that it is not a scam.

On the amount that I take, the reason is simple. I am going to monetize the website to try and earn money from that.
Also if it gets to be to much trouble then I will either Hire people to help with it or I will create a semi-automated API system to help with the load.

I do not think I will put up the price of the 1% because I just don't need the ISK, for me its about the website and the monetizing.

If you would like to contact me then send me a in-game mail and we can chat about how to improve the idea!
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#11 - 2014-11-09 21:43:16 UTC
SCAM
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#12 - 2014-11-09 22:10:29 UTC
You basically have no credibility. Obligatory post with your main.
EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
#13 - 2014-11-09 22:18:33 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
You basically have no credibility. Obligatory post with your main.


I already did, my main is Catt Stevens
Catt Stevens
Karusaka Family
#14 - 2014-11-09 22:20:37 UTC
EVE Online Bounty wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
You basically have no credibility. Obligatory post with your main.


I already did, my main is Catt Stevens


Reporting that is true :)
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-11-09 23:49:12 UTC
It's certainly a nice idea, but you will have to find some way to gain credibility. Not just that you aren't cheating people out of their money, but that you are able to somehow determine exploits of the system.
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#16 - 2014-11-10 00:41:32 UTC
10/10 for OP taking the initiative to make Bounty Hunting a profession in EVE. Keep us posted here on developments.

"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#17 - 2014-11-10 02:41:47 UTC
You are basically going to need Chribba to back you up on this (and be the guy holding the cash).

I don't see it happening any other way, to be honest.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#18 - 2014-11-10 03:25:27 UTC
Catt Stevens wrote:
EVE Online Bounty wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
You basically have no credibility. Obligatory post with your main.


I already did, my main is Catt Stevens


Reporting that is true :)


Well that helps. Honestly it's not a bad idea. I've been reworking the very same idea myself for a while now but simply haven't had time to put it into play. Of course the manner and style differ but the goal of making bounty hunting an acceptable profession in Eve is all the same. If I may offer some friendly critique, I think you're biggest obstacle is the delivery and credibility. Not being at least a semi well known figure can make this sort of start up difficult. In essence, you have nothing to lose by simply walking away with the money. People that have consistently relied on having a trust worthy reputation on the other hand do.

It'll be interesting to follow either way.
EVE Online Bounty
EVE Online Bounty Corporation
#19 - 2014-11-10 08:24:56 UTC
I would like to take this opportunity to point out to everyone that this is posted under the Crime & Punishment section of the forum, and thus it would be incorrect to turn this idea into a scam since that would most lightly get me banned for posting it as an official service.

While I understand your skepticism and your distrust of new things just popping up, I can assure you that I have only the best intentions and in time (a lot of time) it will be shown as such.

I do not expect everyone to trust me right off the bat, so I will conduct my service to the best of my ability and await the day when people who are trusted in the EVE Universe will post here stating that this service is one that is legitimate.

Best Regards to you all and I hope to see many new bounties appearing on the website!

Catt Stevens (aka EVE Online Bounty)
Darth Schweinebacke
Wings of Fury.
#20 - 2014-11-10 11:23:57 UTC
So.. I copied this from your terms & conditions.



The bounty will only be published on the website once the ISK is received and the transaction is processed

We reserve the right to decline payment to someone who is deemed ‘exploiting the system’

Every effort will be made to ensure that the hunter claiming the bounty will be an official bounty hunter and not exploiting the bounty system.



If the bounty is made public, how will you make sure that the person does not kill himself with an alt?

How can you proof someone is exploiting the system?

The answer: You can not prevent that people exploit the system which puts you in the same boat ccp was with the old bounty mechanic.
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