EVE General Discussion

As I have explained to you several times this is all intended:

Eve is suppose to have a economy where transportation of goods is relevant and requires player effort.

Suicide gankers are suppose to blow up overloaded and unprotected industrial ships.

Player are suppose to be at risk of destruction, even when not expecting it.

Players are suppose to be able to influence the universe by making some systems more dangerous than others.


Discouraging ganking is counter-productive. Why build the ganking/crimewatch/security status system into the game only to discourage players from actual criminal gameplay by excessively unfun "consequences" like 6 hour lockouts? CCP can just turn off highsec PvP, add new direct stargates between trade hubs, implement invulnerable NPC couriers, or any number of actual "fixes" to suicide ganking if they thought it was not good game play.

But they don't because it is suppose to be that way.

Despite the impressive success of CODE. last month, no one (ok, no one other than whiny gank victims) is claiming that suicide ganking is unbalanced. Even you have acknowledge there are ways to nearly 100% protect yourself (with the possible exception of escaping the bumping of large ships once it has started) . In fact, highsec is safer than it ever was, and there are more tools than ever to mine or move your stuff around without loosing it to gankers. As I see it, your main argument is that you should not have to spend this "effort" on moving your stuff safely (and want NPC space police to do that) because that is not the part of the game you enjoy.

You and others may think ganking is "too easy", but even the simplest gank requires more effort than AFK hauling or AFK mining.

But ultimately this is the game and ganking is an unavoidable fact of a vibrant sandbox. If you don't like the criminal game play on a moral level, do something about it in the game. If you don't like it on game design level, consider playing something else.

Mag's you assume I don't like their gamning, in fact I have read Pyschotic Monks blog and found myself giggling in amusement, also he infiltrated a corp in Pirate Nation once when we were in Delve and we were just having so much fun pulling the leg of the corp CEO involved for recruiting him.

The restrictions are to force them to expose more assets to risk in carrying out ganking, currently the only points of weakness are moving into system in pods, difficult to catch, undocking in Catalyst, difficult due to instra BM's and arriving at the target, difficult due to scouts and of course the sheer boredom of waiting at a gate, waiting outside a station and waiting at the mining ship, but hold on it gets worse, they have to be -10 for you to even shoot at them, so its virtually impossible to have any impact on gankers in game. Talk about Kitty online for gankers...

Docking restrictions are the only way to do it, because they force them to be slightly more exposed to hunt in their preferred locations, you surprise me for thinking that this is all about restrictions, no its about increasing risk and making the game harder for gankers, at the moment its like it was for shooting mining ships was before the buff, like taking candy from babies.

Do you really think that the points of weakness that I have detailed give enough opportunity for people to engage gankers, I don't...

Brave are in Catch, which is 0.0 space, you have BS level rats plus the Stain Russians and various other alliances roaming into your space, that means your guys have to remove the rats, and deal with the tackle that tries to hold your mining ships for the fleet coming in behind, its a dead cert that someone else in system is coming for you, you can fire at will, there is no comparison in terms of convoy protection in 0.0 and convoy protection in hisec. The mechanics are totally different for a start, but I guess this is another nerf CONCORD post.

But credit where credit is due, that you are doing this in space you hold is all positive, note the comment space you hold, bit different to hisec isn't it...

I saw that you undestood the point I was making, you see I wanted to keep playing Eve and was looking for something to do and I saw CODE and thought, hmmm, I wonder so I sent in a couple of alts watched them, saw their methods, worked out how they did it and assessed the possibility of being able to do anything for fun, the simple conclusion was that it was virtually impossible as Lucas Kell so rightly detailed above.

People were taling earlier in the thread about CONCORD being a punishment, a deterrence, however it no longer works, so something additional needs to be applied, perhaps CCP could create a criminality flag for acts in hisec and use that, that would be the better approach, but I wonder if CCP would want to do that for server load, though Its a pretty static result that could be adjusted each session change.

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CCP are not going to remove CONCORD, nor are they going to make bumping result in a suspect flag as we would have the undock covered by people hoping for a bump so they can shoot someone

As I pointed out, trying it in game is just not possible, gates in a pod, undock with instra BM's and being in the right location for the gank attempt, one cannot simply use a Catalyst like them, I have to cover it with a cruiser with Arty, and I do no real hurt to them at all, so I lose in terms of ISK, they win because it cost me more. Using a Catalyst is not going to work as I cannot get there to stop the gank. You kid yourself that its somehow easy or possible or makes sense, most people who kill gankers kill them after they have gone global or when they are shootable and they don't care its only a Catalyst that they were going to lose anyway...

The ganker going to the Orca is slightly more exposed, so the Catalyst could work there.

And the sentence "more balanced", balance is an every changing feast in any game, or facet of a game, it never stands still, my view is to make it more possible for people to engage, I am not sure that this will be enough, but it might give a few people slightly more options to hit back.

Gank them on the undock, provide an escort for your freighter, use the right ship for the job, dont stuff billions in the hold, avoid high risk systems, use instalocking thrashers to gank them on gates, bump their bumping ships, have an alt in a web ship, have an intercepter to use as a mobile warp point for a bumped ship, use a bait ship to kill them, tank your ****...

The list goes on.

Fun fact:

More freighters and orcas die due to war decs than die to ganking in high sec.

Just to put "lazy" into the right perspective: While it's still fairly easy to make gankers look for other targets or even perceive you as a target at all with a decent amount of effort, "easy" is not what I'd associate with actively stopping a properly executed running gank. Also the isk efficiency is in most cases outright horrible.

I agree with the rest though .

We weren't in Catch all the time. We lived in Hek, Rahadalon, Barleguet and Sendaya before the move to Catch. The Bovril Borers have worked this way since Barleguet. Before that we organized our miners into groups with defense fleets nearby.

Your arguments are invalid and you know it. The fact that BRAVE has managed to have a healthy mining corporation (multiple ones actually) in High, low and Null sec for two years straight proves you are the one doing it wrong. The game doesn't need your solutions. You need to learn how to play the game and the tools it offers you.

Low and null are irrelevent, we are talking about hisec, now run off and detail the kills your alliance got on convoy duty while in hisec then we can accept your comment as fact, otherwise its just wind, that being said if anyone could have done it, its Brave as you had lots of young willing players that would have done that for the greater good.