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Why I don't go to lowsec.

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#21 - 2014-11-08 22:31:53 UTC
somedudeinaship wrote:
AND JOIN A CORP IN PVP, it's way more fun!!!


I make complaint threads every now and then in the miserable aftermath of some kind of derp.

Seems this might be what I've been missing to begin with.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#22 - 2014-11-08 22:33:06 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I had more fun when I actually lived in lowsec. It was a dead end system which we took from some campers. We eventually got pushed out due to complications.

I tried null, but that kept going badly, interceptor killing everything non combat in a station less transit system, the unfit apoc sitting in system for 5 minutes being killed and not even calling for help. I only got curious and warped in as he died. Otherwise if you attempted to warp to the inty in anything pewpew, he was already 2 systems out by the time you landed.

I finally left null when warping to a gate resulted in a T2 frigate blob outa nowhere. But hey the corp gained 300 mill in rat loots, not like I was getting that out of there.

My pvp fun used to involve an ice belt in highsec, and no it wasn't ganking. It was getting yellow and fighting whoever shot at me.


I repeat ... I am a Brave Newbie and live in Null. So can you! If you can't learn how to play this game by yourself, join a group who can teach you how.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-11-08 22:41:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugia3
Complains about being pee vee peed in the pee vee pee area, is in "Exodus Mining Corp".

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Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#24 - 2014-11-08 22:44:44 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Mharius Skjem wrote:
You obviously lack experience, you need to check the map and learn how to move around in low sec.

lowsec is as safe as highsec if you know what you are doing.



No amount of map checking is going to tell me the ships sitting on the next gate, they could be anywhere. But put murphies law to it and they will only be there if I jump, so the best decision is to not jump.

I figure if you put murphies law into the game you should be pretty safe. I decided against the obvious and lost stuff. Course having alts takes care of most of those problems, while friends do not. I mean whos wanting to jump into a meat grinder so their friend can jump through and go get his content.


I have no alts and get around fine. The map filters will give you clues. If a lot of ships have been destroyed in the last hour then it may indicate a gate camp. You can avoid the system or jump anyway.

If it is camped then you can still escape in most cases if you are quick, willing to wait, and don't panic. Gate camps prey on panic.

There's a highsec to null connection in caldari space that I used to camp regularly on the null side of it. I think it was torrinnos or something like that. We had bubbles, insta locking ships and massive amounts of fire power. People used to run the camp all of the time, lots of them escaped. After a while it soon dawned on me that the same people ran the camp regularly and they were the same ones escaping. They knew what they were doing.

Camps can be beat, but you got to learn how.

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#25 - 2014-11-08 23:45:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Mharius Skjem wrote:
Camps can be beat, but you got to learn how.
And to iterate on that, the best way to learn is getting to know one or more of the people that camp the gate.
When you get blown up in a pvp situation, any pvp situation, and you have no clue as to what you could have done to avoid it, ask the people that blew you up. There are a lot of players that are happy to give tips and learn you tricks, even if it means making you better at (avoiding) pvp and more difficult for them to kill you.

Never be afraid to learn! And never bar yourself from areas in this game.
It's to beautiful to only want to experience pieces of it....Blink

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#26 - 2014-11-08 23:53:41 UTC
'Low Sec' like 'high sec' is a broad term. Most of it is empty wasteland dividing places of relevance.

FW on the other hands, like Null is an API delayed LFG system.
Blob it up,
blob it up,
Blob it up some more.

Win.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-11-09 00:03:42 UTC
Oh.... I also forgot to mention the lowsec area the expedition wanted me to rat in was faction warfare space right next to the HEK market hub.

Probably made the situation much worse didn't it?

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#28 - 2014-11-09 00:07:26 UTC
Hek low-sec entry gate is camped 9 out of 10 times. Since always.

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Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#29 - 2014-11-09 00:07:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyndrogen
Do you know why it's called LOW sec? Because it's not for everybody, low number of players. Usually it's pretty safe as long as you are alert and understand gate camp mechanics.

Sounds like you should be in a t3. You need a modular approach if you're going solo.

also eve has three game modes:

Painful (aka solo)
Hard
Wait (aka patience)

Do you homework on dotlan next time. Find out who gate camps and what ships they use. Should be pretty easy to avoid.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#30 - 2014-11-09 00:31:21 UTC
Agree with OP, most of the lowsec "content" is just lame gatecamps. Would like to see buffed up sentry guns to actually incentivize people to combat in the system not just on the gates.
Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#31 - 2014-11-09 00:34:06 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Agree with OP, most of the lowsec "content" is just lame gatecamps. Would like to see buffed up sentry guns to actually incentivize people to combat in the system not just on the gates.


do you know why people gate camp?

Because no one goes to "combat" in lowsec. It's usually to get from A to B and it just happens to go through lowsec.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
#32 - 2014-11-09 00:36:30 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Agree with OP, most of the lowsec "content" is just lame gatecamps. Would like to see buffed up sentry guns to actually incentivize people to combat in the system not just on the gates.

Please keep your nerf for HS. There aren't "just" gatecamps you know...
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#33 - 2014-11-09 00:46:31 UTC
Karl Jerr wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Agree with OP, most of the lowsec "content" is just lame gatecamps. Would like to see buffed up sentry guns to actually incentivize people to combat in the system not just on the gates.

Please keep your nerf for HS. There aren't "just" gatecamps you know...


Not sure what you are trying to say. Considering that lowsec is the least populated region of the game, and pretty desolate outside the FW systems....it probably could use a bit of a spice up.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-11-09 00:50:40 UTC
You know, it wouldnt kill you to give the guys some advice.

Honestly, you people are bonkers. "no-one comes to low", "everyone stays in high sec", whine whine, cry cry. So the guy goes to low and posts (an admittedly reasonably poor) thread on why he doesnt go and the response is mainly "lol noob, gtfo back to high sec".

If you give advice, help a little, maybe we can drag low sec population up a little. So maybe OP is a lost cause, maybe he isnt - but a lot of "maybes" might read this - it doesnt exactly read well to them as all you're doing is reinforcing the (entirely false) idea that low is a death trap and you need oodles of experience to have the slimmest chance of survival.



@OP - want to learn low and how she works? Fly an interceptor, scout about/get to know the locals/get to know the lay of the land/burn bookmarks. Low/null sec is far from a deathtrap - sure, some homework needs to be done - but usually only once. Do your scouting in an interceptor/CovOps then once you have the bits and pieces lined up (undock/gate bounce BMs etc) - have black frog move some assets there for you. It really is just experience - but to get that experience in a pain free way - inty/CovOps - just keep in mind smartie BS camps might still blap you.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#35 - 2014-11-09 01:10:30 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Agree with OP, most of the lowsec "content" is just lame gatecamps. Would like to see buffed up sentry guns to actually incentivize people to combat in the system not just on the gates.


Because you can totally pull people into open space between gates in lowsec? Roll

This is some pretty horrifying ignorance, even for an imbecile like you.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#36 - 2014-11-09 01:19:15 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Agree with OP, most of the lowsec "content" is just lame gatecamps. Would like to see buffed up sentry guns to actually incentivize people to combat in the system not just on the gates.


Because you can totally pull people into open space between gates in lowsec? Roll

This is some pretty horrifying ignorance, even for an imbecile like you.


Oooh....back to the name calling...immature as usual, I see....maybe it's time to move beyond 6th grade level?

Buffed up sentry guns would end these stupid gate camps, and create more conflict in the systems rather than just gatecamp massacres. Might make people actually WANT to LIVE in lowsec.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2014-11-09 01:21:52 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Buffed up sentry guns would end these stupid gate camps, and create more conflict in the systems rather than just gatecamp massacres. Might make people actually WANT to LIVE in lowsec.


You want to bring about more combat by reducing combat where the most traffic is...
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#38 - 2014-11-09 01:27:56 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Buffed up sentry guns would end these stupid gate camps, and create more conflict in the systems rather than just gatecamp massacres. Might make people actually WANT to LIVE in lowsec.


It would result in much, much less conflict.

Because one of the few places you can actually catch people is on gates.

And as for making people want to live in lowsec, the solution is simple. Highsec needs to be savagely nerfed, so it doesn't overshadow lowsec.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#39 - 2014-11-09 01:30:50 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

Buffed up sentry guns would end these stupid gate camps, and create more conflict in the systems rather than just gatecamp massacres. Might make people actually WANT to LIVE in lowsec.


You want to bring about more combat by reducing combat where the most traffic is...


Fails to properly diagnose the problem. The fundamental problem with lowsec is that the gatecamp ganks make it not viable to do PvE activities there....it's just a pirate wasteland. If you made travel easier by buffing sentry guns, the gatecamps would decline, and the increased traffic flow would make PvE play more viable. That would then encourage more interesting piracy, mainly piracy against PvE residents....it would make lowsec fun instead of just a sequence of boring gatecamps.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#40 - 2014-11-09 01:32:57 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

Buffed up sentry guns would end these stupid gate camps, and create more conflict in the systems rather than just gatecamp massacres. Might make people actually WANT to LIVE in lowsec.


It would result in much, much less conflict.

Because one of the few places you can actually catch people is on gates.

And as for making people want to live in lowsec, the solution is simple. Highsec needs to be savagely nerfed, so it doesn't overshadow lowsec.


Yes, because savagely nerfing highsec would make the PvE highsec players go live in incredibly dangerous and CONCORD free lowsec, not join the blue donut or quit Eve entirely.

I appreciate your vision for a PvP mayhem game, the only problem is that no one really wants to play it...certainly not as the victim. So given that highsec is unlikely to be nerfed into oblivion anytime soon (if anything it's getting buffed), and given that the blue donut isn't disappearing any time soon, the logical question is how to make lowsec fun and interesting without needing to nerf everything else into oblivion.