Skill Discussions

you know that feeling you get when you have a max level character in a video game, and you begin to wonder if you've actually beat it? you start asking your friends if they've played any new games lately, and you check gaming blogs to find out what the next game to conquer will be.

don't ever give capsuleers that feeling. that's what this is about.

You should look into cross training capitals and getting a few maxed out dreads and carriers. Should keep you busy for a while.

At 108 million SP I feel like I have just gotten started with the mid game.

I appreciate the thought, but I am definitely not burned out. disheartened by med clone costs, yes, but not burned out.

antillie, that's one thing I somehow sensed would never happen, even before I knew what capitals were about. the players who brought me into EVE were smart about it, and made that point very clear... it's a mistake to train everything, and at the least, subcap and cap pilots should be trained separately. do you know what a multiracial all V super pilot looks like, in terms of SP totals? it's lower than people might think.

mashie saldana--that's the kind of skillsheet I want. if I reach that, I will stop training and use the open training slots for my rookie SP 2003 characters, but that won't be for another 4 or 5 years. but it's possible.

ah, but Tau, redistributions are not an increase in ability. we're talking about making EVE bigger for players in the future.

also, what is the purpose of not having more skills to train? or having them all, even. do you plan to use every skill you train, have you used all the skills you've trained?

despite the skills I've trained, I've only had a handful of ships in my hangars consistently, over the years. of the T2 V skills I have, I've only used two racial variants at the most, usually 1. doesn't that mean the benefit to unused ships is sort of... extra?

can you really call a broad reaching skill like T2 ship skills ..."specialization"? It's about as specialized as a support skill, but with a higher rank, so technically it's generalization. isn't it kind of backwards how the racial hull skill is what determines which race the T2 skill is applied to? if all supports and racial hull skills are trained, you can't tell by looking, which ship a pilot uses the T2 skill for primarily.

The structure of it... everything converges on a racial hull in preparation for the T2 skill, but when it's reached, effect branches out again, to all races? if a T2 skill is a rank 8 (for example), you're actually training four separate rank 2 skills at the same time, in terms of ship benefit. we've had it easy. it's too easy.

do you even use the other ships that T2 skills affect? probably not. this doesn't strike you as a way to make the skills a little better, or wonder how it could be arranged a little smarter?

it wouldn't? the way I see it, racial T2 skills would be 4x more meaningful than a general one. and what choice. if you want a T2 ship there's just one skill you have to choose.

btw, multi racial super pilot

180 million SP doesn't take long. I'm 4 years away, and the first 5 years went by like nothing.

far away as in specialized, and distinct, and different from other things?

to people who think they'll never get there. but what about us, knowing that 100 million SP ain't no thang.

there's also the lack of capital T2 ships. when they come out, if they affect all racial ships... that means capital pilots will have multiple racial caps maxed as a result of one skill train. that's really not a great way to get the most payoff from a dev perspective, is it.

that doesn't mean there aren't reasons to have them in the game

would it be fair if prerequisites didn't include mandatory racial hull V

like this

I've only got 55m SP, but the idea that a 5 year+ train isn't a long time strikes me as crazy. There's maybe 1 game I've played for 5 years, and even that that was intermittent.

I would oppose this proposed change. Just like the destroyer and BC changes (which I fully benefited from), it just serves to out more obstacles in the way of relatively new players and that's a bad thing.

we're back to this one, and that without those full skills, it's less of a ship, therefore more range of performance