Crime & Punishment

Hmm, objective attitude...didn't expect that.


Don't take my words to haharshly,
you should give it a shot though.

The guy that killed you is not -10 his current sec status is -1.0. He pays for his sec status and while it is not that expensive relative to the isk he makes, it is not exactly cheap to maintain his status and fund his ships. Conservatively speaking and accounting for the ship and the sec tags, it costs him about 85 mil isk every time he wants to gank something.

How about instead of focusing on what could be done to make his job harder we talk about what could be done to make your job easier? How about not putting 500 mil worth of stuff in a paper thin hauler that does not only have no tank, it is actually anti-tanked with a full compliment of cargo expanders and cargo rigs?

You only needed cargo capacity of 9K to carry that load, this would have survived your recent encounter:
[Bestower]
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II

Large Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

The fit I posted has 16.5K EHP, yours had 2.5K EHP. With the Nado fit the way it was, best case scenario he gets off one volley to do 10K damage.

what is a sec statue and where can i get one?

Makes so much more sense now. OP dies by ganker. Tears. Comes to C&P and expresses his / her tears.

I understand your point of view, but I think you're missing the view of new players. Imagine in your first day of Eve you decide to shoot someone, you can't, but you figure out safeties and shoot him! Grats, now you're minus 10.

If you were arguing for a larger sec penalty for ganking I might not argue too much. That being said, tags to get sec status back are really expensive.

I'm waiting till they start to propose a nerf to the catalyst itself.

they could hide it in "warfare and tactics" or "ships and modules".

You guys should really do that. Go now and start a thread beginning with "Should cormorant have 8th turret slot?", going thru "unfair for corax, and so UP algos/dragoon" and then ending with "maybe nerf the catalyst, so cormorant stops to feel sad".

I can speak miner slang \o/

Yep, I was ganked, and what pushed me to post is this : I had a cool chat with the guy who ganked me (i had to use google translator because the guy is russian and doesn't speak english). I checked his killboard and I realized this guy is able to spam those suicide ganks. The problem is he has actually only a security status of -1 and doesn't suffer at all to do what he does. What made me post is not my personnal experience, but the addition of 2 other mates. One was a begginer who bought plexes, bought expensiv stuff and was ganked in a T1 transport ship for 1b after 5 hours of game (I was not here to warn him to don't do it), the second one is a friend who plays eve since 2004 and used an expensiv ship to make l4 and was ganked in high sec (he lost for 2.4b). Myself I am really ok with what I lost, this is part of the game, no problems, my "noob" friend had like a trauma, really, my veteran friend was a bit surprised by seeing it. In every case, gankers who did it, for the killboard, for the loot, has no real issue after doing what they did.

I was always carefull myself to never transport more than 200 million of stuff but I did 2 mistakes : First one was to think that giant secure containers may descourage him to gank, bcse of the security, after talking with the guy he told me he just have to repackage the container to get the loot. My second mistake was to moove expensiv stuff to try multiple item sell in jita to compare it to dodixie.

Sure, I did mistakes, in eve, generally when you loose a ship it is due to the mistake you do.


///OP, Feel free to join me for some ganking some time. You might actually understand one of the many mechanics described in this thread afterwards. ///

Not a bad idea, I really may accept your offer. I know that if we do it, with my actual security statue I wont loose anything who may trouble me. After posting my thread here I am thinking of fitting an oracle to test it and retrive loot with my second account.

/// understand your point of view, but I think you're missing the view of new players. Imagine in your first day of Eve you decide to shoot someone, you can't, but you figure out safeties and shoot him! Grats, now you're minus 10.

If you were arguing for a larger sec penalty for ganking I might not argue too much. That being said, tags to get sec status back are really expensive. ///

I also think about new players, this is why a system where : To shoot someone will only make you loose -2.5 and to kill : -7.5. It has to be challinging to do it in high sec, not something easy like it is now. Don't forget that we need poeple in low / null sec. If a new player want to make some PVP, then he has to go to low sec to test it, where the security statue lost will be really not hard compare to high sec.

I edited my post ! You mean loose of reputation regarding futur corps right ?

Well I don't care about having a bad corp's reputation

Meh, OP is trying to hard.

Have CONCORD start podding the ganker, thus creating more isk sinks aside from their ship since insurance isn't paid out already ( medical clone costs go up, CCP should forget this new incoming feature to protect SP and remove medical clones ) . CONCORD further destroys the blue wreck (lore: protect the space lanes!) so their MTU's sitting on gates don't work (for the gate ganking freighters), and for further punishment CONCORD destroys the person who started the whole thing by AFKing or flying bling with a podding of their own (aka, who ever got ganked should be further punished with an NPC podding for instigating the attack with their own stupidity and an NPC spanking)