Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you see someone banging their head into a wall, are you being more helpful by encouraging their activity, or by teaching them to use a door?

the only way too make this viable is if you aren't just adding more salvage (which will reduce the value) is too add new stuff that is salvageable to the higher skilled dedicated salvager.

so rather than just stuff that affects rigs it needs too be something else without killing the market on the new stuff you can salvage .. not sure what that stuff is mind .. perhaps some undamaged recoverable parts ..

Here you get into Malcanis' Law. EvE is a game where anything done to make the game "easier for the noobs" instantly becomes utterly abused by the vets. Besides, the current game for new players is a lot easier than when us vets started. Those who decry ideas like this do, indeed, think of how the game could be. We look at ideas in a manner of how people will abuse them, because in EvE, it is a certainty that it will be abused.

Also, just because I can estimate the future effects of the idea, and think an idea bad because of that viewpoint, doesn't mean it will effect my income. I don't salvage, and the few relic sites I run get donated to corp. Your logic fails there.

are we allowed to bump our own threads to keep the conversation going?

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Was there something in the lore that would conflict with salvaging?

Finally some positive comments, thanks guys. Are there any ideas for improving and fine tuning my idea?

I would like to see wrecks turn blue after an hour but agree that we shouldn't significantly increase supply of salvage without providing more ways for that salvage to be used to proportionately increase demand. Maybe salvage could be included as an optional component in T1 manufacture to create meta "named" modules.

The further that eve moves away from current rng success rates and towards more skill based return rates the better we'll be. Taking a cue from data/relic module changes having a linear rate of success could work. For example a basic frigate has a salvaging level of 100 and someone with salvaging level 1 and a t1 salvager module will have 20 salvaging points. Ergo it takes 5 cycles to salvage a frigate wreck. Consistently. For every level of salvaging thereafter you get an extra 20 salvaging points meaning that by level 5 you will always salvage a basic frigate wreck first pop.

This allows for scaling. Basic cruisers could have a level of 150. Advanced cruisers 300

Things like t2 battleships or sleeper battleships could have 500.

This also lets you create a different brand of mdules like the op suggests eg aggressive salvager gets +50 salvaging points but loses 20% of gains. Precise salvager gets +10 points but never loses gains. Basic t1 gets +20 and suffers 10% loss. T2 salvager gets +30 points and 10% loss.

In this basic setup you now create an internally consistent, scaling and open ended system where performance is determined by what you want to achieve and the method used to do it. An aggressive salvager for example would almost never get t2 salvage out of a wreck while a precise one will almost always but at the cost of time.

I really like the idea of salvaging as a career, however I think it could be improved by some changes to things that already exist in the game and adding some level of risk to it as a profession.

1. Make wrecks scannable with combat probes or maybe some special salvage probes. This means you would have to work for it and the wrecks would still only float around for 2 hours. This might also encourage mission runners to spread out since the busy systems would be filled with salvagers. It might also increase conflict.
2. Make salvage used for more things - simplest thought would be when meta 1-4 blue prints are a thing if they required the minerals from the t1 print + some amount of salvage it would increase the demand.

There would need to be some balance, by making wrecks scannable you're taking income away from some of the mission runners and not putting yourself in any danger with all the rat killing they did to leave you a nice clean grid of isk. To make this really fair I think you'd have to get a suspect flag for salvaging.

As long as there is something introduced in the game that requires salvage components it should balance the increase in salvage on the market. The total amount of available salvage wouldn't really increase, it would just make it easier to find but maybe a salvager would get popped every now and again by an angry mission runner.

Fun ships/modules that could be created if salvaging was a viable career:

- An ORE ninja salvaging frigate that has a wreck scanning, salvager and salvage drone bonus but some crazy penalty to prevent fitting any guns or launchers.
- An ORE t2 ninja salvaging frigate with all of the above + cov ops cloak.
- t2 salvage drones - can we please have these?
- a mid slot module that increases salvager performance. This would force you to choose between shield mods, scanner mods or salvaging mods