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Breaking News: No more SP loss and clone grades

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#61 - 2014-11-07 09:23:13 UTC
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
And people with highskill points immediately rejoiced and jumped into Rifters




Bingo.

I think CCP is doing this to get the bittervets back into PVP.


And it's a good idea.


Let the party commence!

Crap I'm almost out of rum.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#62 - 2014-11-07 09:53:31 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
And people with highskill points immediately rejoiced and jumped into Rifters


Bingo.

I think CCP is doing this to get the bittervets back into PVP.

And it's a good idea.

Let the party commence!

Crap I'm almost out of rum.


Works for me too, thanks CCP another good decision!

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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#63 - 2014-11-07 10:14:55 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
...and CCP Despair Clock reached 10:45 PM.

You just think every good change is a desperate attempt to improve subscriptions.


I didn't said that it was a bad change. It's a good change, actually, and probably will achieve the intended goal.

I never said that you said it was a bad change. I was specifically referring to the motivations you ascribe to CCP.

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
That doesn't changes that CCP is removing a risk without modifying the rewards, though.

They're removing a tax, really. The only risk was against those who were forgetful, which is really not a good game mechanic.
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2014-11-07 10:19:10 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
Made up my mind a little bit about this. I don't get it! WHY?

This was a very cool Feature! You forgot to update -> Live with the SP Loss.

Again a bad decision so far. Makes Eve again much more easy. I can't see where this is going a positive way at the moment. :(

I don't think this will get bittervets back into the game. I know one who already will unsubscribe due to this and it's not me!

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2014-11-07 10:24:12 UTC
EVE is a game where you should lose stuff when it gets blown up, not lose skills when you forget to file the correct paperwork. Nobody benefits from the clone grade system.

This is a universally good decision.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2014-11-07 10:28:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
SP loss is funny when it happens to something that isn't a rank 1 subsystem skill, but let's be honest.

intentionally costing someone SP takes a bit of planning and it borders on griefing.

find enjoyment in destroying a ship and implants, but that's the boundary. the transaction of subscription time for SP is between the player and CCP, not anyone else. try very hard to understand why it's wrong to think you should be allowed to degrade someone's enjoyment of the game.

in fact, I'd say you're a bad person just for wanting to PVP. people paid either time or money to have their spacethings.

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Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#67 - 2014-11-07 10:35:15 UTC
HoruSeth wrote:
I don't think this will get bittervets back into the game. I know one who already will unsubscribe due to this and it's not me!

I'm just gonna go ahead and call you on your bull.
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2014-11-07 10:36:06 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
CCP FoxFour wrote:
... While EVE is about consequences for your actions


You did not pay enough attention to your pod after losing the ship and then you forgot to take the action to update the clone. You loose skillpoints.

Now you don't have to care about loosing the pod anymore. How can that be a good decision? I don't know ...

I will now even pod myself with implants if I think it's worth the effort to being faster at home / back into the fight, while I did this earlier as well, but sometimes forgot to update the clone and lost skillpoints I had to learn. Now I don't need to care about this. Makes the game again easier, which is not the reason I am playing Eve for nearly 5 years now.

Eve learning curve is getting more flat, which is a bad thing. :(

If they will change the system to something which was proposed earlier in this thread (rental fee / clone / Skillpoints) or something like this I will leave the game as well. Because that would be defenitely just a stupid tax without any reason / consequence.

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"
Doris Dragonbreath
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#69 - 2014-11-07 10:41:25 UTC
I fully approve this decision. To show my approval I will resub one of my accounts today after the DT with 1 year subscription.

This is highly relevant for my interests as I just outright love flying dessies, but my main has unfortunately atm 185 million SP, meaning the little golden egg that drops costs me 3x more than the full ship I live to fly (before I put any hardware in it, which I usually do).
Doris Dragonbreath
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#70 - 2014-11-07 10:46:00 UTC
HoruSeth wrote:
Made up my mind a little bit about this. I don't get it! WHY?

This was a very cool Feature! You forgot to update -> Live with the SP Loss.

Again a bad decision so far. Makes Eve again much more easy. I can't see where this is going a positive way at the moment. :(

I don't think this will get bittervets back into the game. I know one who already will unsubscribe due to this and it's not me!


For every bittervet that unsubs over this there will be three others that will rejoice, go out die in fire in a small ship, have fun and will be around for much longer as a result of actually doing something fun instead of orbiting the titan.

Depending on the details I might even be able at last to train up the alpha clone cyno's consuming many PLEX in the process. So do not let the door hit you on your way out and may the knowledge that those who are remaining behind will have blast fuel your bitterness as is fitting for bittervet.
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2014-11-07 11:04:45 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
LOL

You have a main with 185M Skillpoints in a golden pod (assuming you have some ISK) and afford a 1-Year-subscription (which I think is a lie) just because of this, but you claim to not going out PvPin because your medical clone is to costy? Roll Sounds reasonable ... not, unless you loose your pod every time you loose a destroyer, but even then, no I can't believe it.

Edit: Just looked it up: 46Mio ISK / clone. After your post I thought it is more in range of >100M Roll

However, just wanted to write down my opinion about this Change, what I did.

Have fun, fly safe.

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2014-11-07 11:10:18 UTC
And dictor pilots everywhere rejoiced!

+1 CCP, plus ****ing ONE.

:)
Melanelaa
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2014-11-07 11:11:24 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Taking bets on which isk sink is going to increase in magnitude now that clone costs are gone.


I think it was Fozzie who said industry costs are a huge sink and they might have even to counter it in some way.

Average industry cost is prolly something around 3 - 4.5 % and applies twice to stuff built from components - t2/t3, capitals.
Herrin Asura
Covert Operations Agency
#74 - 2014-11-07 11:35:37 UTC
This change is great.

The medical Clone was totally useless. I'm playing Eve since 2009 and never lost a single Skillpoint. Remembering to update the clone was just an annoyance.
And I'm happy that more older players will go out and fight with cheap ships wich was punished before because of the high clone costs.
Removing the medical clones leads to more fights and explosions wich is good.
Princess Honneamise
#75 - 2014-11-07 12:11:43 UTC
Welcome to World of EVE .

Im a little disappointed with this decision.

What next ?
Elves ? Orcs ? Dwarfs ?

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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#76 - 2014-11-07 12:15:27 UTC
HoruSeth wrote:
Made up my mind a little bit about this. I don't get it! WHY?


  • So players won't feel they have to say no to fun roams
  • So players don't get upset after one too many drunken roams where they can't remember to pay for their clones
  • So players can't be tricked into losing their SP
  • So players see less risk in visiting losec or nullsec
  • So players might feel it's worth popping into that wormhole that's just arrived in system
  • So players see less reason to leave wardecced corps
  • Just because it's totally better for the game

afkalt wrote:
And dictor pilots everywhere rejoiced!
+1 CCP, plus ****ing ONE.
:)

And this of course Lol
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2014-11-07 12:25:12 UTC
Welcome to My little Pony World of EVE .

Ruskarn Andedare wrote:

  • So players won't feel they have to say no to fun roams
  • So players don't get upset after one too many drunken roams where they can't remember to pay for their clones
  • So players can't be tricked into losing their SP
  • So players see less risk in visiting losec or nullsec
  • So players might feel it's worth popping into that wormhole that's just arrived in system
  • So players see less reason to leave wardecced corps
  • Just because it's totally better for the game



irrelevant. All those points.
if you play your game to the end we will be sitting in indestructible ships, because then you have not only less risk. You have no risk. --> This is not My Little Pony farm
Roll

OK. Those Points are relevant as soon as you recognise this game as serious spaceship business or part of RL. I don't do this. ;)

PS: Drunken fleets are always fun. I love them. If People get upset afterwards due to losing skillpoints, it's not the fault of CCP. They should blaim the alcohol maybe or even more themselves ;)

hf

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#78 - 2014-11-07 12:31:46 UTC
Very disappointing news.

The Tears Must Flow
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#79 - 2014-11-07 12:40:39 UTC
HoruSeth wrote:
Welcome to My little Pony World of EVE .

Ruskarn Andedare wrote:

  • So players won't feel they have to say no to fun roams
  • So players don't get upset after one too many drunken roams where they can't remember to pay for their clones
  • So players can't be tricked into losing their SP
  • So players see less risk in visiting losec or nullsec
  • So players might feel it's worth popping into that wormhole that's just arrived in system
  • So players see less reason to leave wardecced corps
  • Just because it's totally better for the game



irrelevant. All those points.
if you play your game to the end we will be sitting in indestructible ships, because then you have not only less risk. You have no risk. --> This is not My Little Pony farm
Roll

OK. Those Points are relevant as soon as you recognise this game as serious spaceship business or part of RL. I don't do this. ;)

PS: Drunken fleets are always fun. I love them. If People get upset afterwards due to losing skillpoints, it's not the fault of CCP. They should blaim the alcohol maybe or even more themselves ;)

Sadly though a lot of people are risk averse - anything that makes them feel there's less risk in getting out there can only increase player interaction.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-11-07 12:50:25 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
...and CCP Despair Clock reached 10:45 PM.

You just think every good change is a desperate attempt to improve subscriptions.


I'm sure CCP needs more than CCP Guards looks to keep CCP operational. Big smile