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An old oversight, adopted into common usage.

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Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-11-06 02:07:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Quattras Peione
I have one small nitpick with this forum, and with the community in general. A simple, small grammatical error that significantly changes the meanings of a lot of what is said and written here.

This is not, in truth, an Intergalactic Summit. It is an Intragalactic Summit. This is one of those subtle nuances of the common trade language that often gets overlooked - so often, in fact, that the erroneous usage (which actually means "between galaxies") has simply become accepted parlance.

I won't be the fellow who scoffs from his ivory tower, de-railing threads to correct anyone who mis-uses the term. I did, however, feel the need to just once express it in public. And now I am done.

Thank you for your patience; flame at will.

Edit: This is, of course, assuming the conclusions of Project Compass 2.0 are correct and Anoikis is in fact somewhere within our galaxy. CONCORD does not endorse these findings; take that as you will, but I trust the numbers.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#2 - 2014-11-06 02:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
But... Mister Peione, surely Anoikis - Wormhole space, where I am at present - Is in another galaxy, thus this communication is, indeed, intergalactic in truth?
Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-11-06 02:12:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Quattras Peione
You were quick on the response, Ms. Ikiryo. Please note my added reference above to Project Compass 2.0 and its findings that Anoikis lies on the far end of our own galaxy. New Eden is but a single cluster. Also, it is noteworthy that this forum pre-dates the openings into Anoikis that so many of us traverse today.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-11-06 02:21:38 UTC
A bit of hubristic future-proofing on the part of the original creators, maybe?.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-11-06 02:24:14 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
A bit of hubristic future-proofing on the part of the original creators, maybe?.


Probably. And, as I said, something I won't mention again. But my background does lie in analysis of the written word. I felt obligated to point it out.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#6 - 2014-11-06 03:04:00 UTC
Flame at will, huh?

*grabs lighter and petrol, burns thread down*

I feel better now.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Mericot Finweth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-11-06 07:52:04 UTC
Dear fellow word-lover,

I am sure you are aware of, as I became as I took the class of Advanced Linguistic Philosophy at the University of Caille many years ago, that this is a contested statement. Your position seems closer to that of ideal language philosophers, while a philosopher holding the position of ordinary language philosophy would argue that meaning is use .

Proponents of the view that language is a changing Chimerae where meaning shifts over time would argue either that the real-world[sic] reference of the word Intergalactic Summit now would be only one galaxy, or that the distinction between intra and inter changes meaning in this particular context according to its current use. Whether to use a real-world reference or a word-contextual reference is, of course another debate and I do not wish to derail the thread by going into that here.

Myself, I tend towards the position of ordinary linguistics, and I believe so does most Gallente linguists. In fact, I fear your statement can be viewed as a way to try to aggressively prescribe meanings of words in contrast to a more democratic, descriptive attitude towards them.

In the interest of liberal democracy I thus argue that the current usage of the label Intergalactic Summit should remain a correct way (if there is such a thing as a correct way of using Words, it can only be temporary of course) of using the term and your attempt to undermine its current status should be resisted.

It remains to be seen if this is a pre-cursor to a general attempt by Caldari or Amarr linguists to take control of our common, democratic language. I urge all Federation Citizens and other liberal elements in the cluster to be wary of such attempts and be ready to raise their voices at any signs of such pretensions of linguistic dominance.

On a more personal level, I ask you to step down on this issue, and return to the realms of the study of Language History.

With regards,
Mericot Finweth
Wordsmith Par Excellence
Gallente Federation
Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-11-06 09:09:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Quattras Peione
Monsieur Finweth,

I assure you that I mean no attack on this institution, nor any assault upon the accepted normative usage of the word. Nor is this possibly any move by the State, as even a cursory glance at my employment history would show that, unfortunately, there is no longer a respectable learning institution in the cluster that would have me.

However, during my tenure at the School of Applied Knowledge - the very institution through which I became what I am today - I did, as you suggest, study linguistic history, which included etymology. Philosophy was its own department.

Supposing though that there is in fact this proposed overlap between philosophy and linguistics, then I ask the philosopher in you to ponder this mystery: if travel between planets is still referred to as interplanetary, which we can see from all historical sources it has been, then there must be a companion term that distinguishes travel upon a single planet. The only difference here is a matter of scale.

Feel free to do as you have always done, Monsieur, as will I. It seems that I have sparked more ire than academic curiosity by pointing this out anyway.

Kindest personal regards,

Quattras Peione
One-time Doctor of Literature, current inveterate lowsec scum.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#9 - 2014-11-06 09:59:56 UTC
The reality is many of us on the Intergalactic Summit live in our own self-contained worlds, galaxies or universes. Therefore it is quite fitting that it is Inter, not Intra.

-Eran
Mericot Finweth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-11-06 10:04:08 UTC
Mate,

It was my understanding that your post was an invitation to a Pen vs. Pen combat. Academia, is, as we know a Battlefield of the highest order where Words are the modules and definitions the ammo.

In Academia, the one who can change the meaning and use of Words is just as an accomplished warrior as the capsuleer who chooses his modules in order to inflict the greatest damage upon his prey. In the interest of Power and Recognition proponents of differing academical theories try to trump each others arguments and achieve dominance of his or hers academic field. Thus Literature can never be safe from Philosophy.

There is no academic curiosity , only academic animosity.

Personally, I prefer Poetry.


See you in Losec, scum.

Mericot Finweth
Academic Bittervet
Now aspiring Space Poet

Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2014-11-06 10:23:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
Branding has no respect for literature or etymological musings. But as branding generates a substantial income, even when the product itself is literature or some derivation thereof, branding trumps accuracy. Ergo, Intergalactic sounds bigger, badder and generally more impressive than Intra-galactic. Even the latter would be a misnomer, as we are active within a very small cluster, speaking in galactic terms. Local Stellar Grouping or Cluster Summit sound rather droll.

In short; branding at work.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#12 - 2014-11-06 10:40:30 UTC
Interstellar Summit.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-11-06 11:43:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
It is a damned typo nobody noticed until it was too late! If we try to correct it now we have to wade through the paper quagmire! Let sleeping Wolves lie, I implore you! Do not wake the bureaucratic beast!

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-11-06 11:51:07 UTC
I'm not an astronomer.

It is my understanding that a star system is a small cluster of stars that orbit one another. A star system may then be orbited by a planetary system, each planet in the system bound to the star system by gravitational pull. The two of these together form a "system" as we commonly refer to them and these systems are interconnected by stargates.

When two or more systems are bound together on a greater scale by a central gravitational attraction, you have a galaxy. For the purposes of understanding this (not meant to be entirely accurate, simply to help with understanding), draw a circle in the center of a page, then surround that circle with smaller circles drawn around it and then draw a larger circle encompassing all of the previous circles. The circle in the center, the one drawn first, represents the gravitational center of a galaxy, binding the systems (star and planetary systems) represented by the smaller circles together around it, the largest circle represents the borders of that galaxy.

If that basic understanding of a galaxy is correct, and every system in New Eden is bound by a central gravitational attraction, then New Eden is indeed a single galaxy. However, given that we know there are other galaxies and that a race at some point in history was able to travel between them using stargates similar to the ones we use now (the New Eden Gate, for example), then perhaps the naming of this summit as "inter"galactic is based upon the premise that we, too, will one day travel between galaxies.

Or perhaps it is based upon the assumption that we once originated in another galaxy and that these older stargates were constructed by our ancestors and we have somehow lost that part of our racial history. Which, while a somewhat arrogant presumption, may not be an incorrect one.

Time will tell, perhaps.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#15 - 2014-11-06 23:59:46 UTC
Quattras Peione wrote:
I have one small nitpick with this forum, and with the community in general. A simple, small grammatical error that significantly changes the meanings of a lot of what is said and written here.

This is not, in truth, an Intergalactic Summit. It is an Intragalactic Summit. This is one of those subtle nuances of the common trade language that often gets overlooked - so often, in fact, that the erroneous usage (which actually means "between galaxies") has simply become accepted parlance.

I won't be the fellow who scoffs from his ivory tower, de-railing threads to correct anyone who mis-uses the term. I did, however, feel the need to just once express it in public. And now I am done.

Thank you for your patience; flame at will.

Edit: This is, of course, assuming the conclusions of Project Compass 2.0 are correct and Anoikis is in fact somewhere within our galaxy. CONCORD does not endorse these findings; take that as you will, but I trust the numbers.


This post gave me cancer.

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.

Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-11-07 08:30:10 UTC
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
This post gave me cancer.

Ms. Dellacorte, no one forced you to read it. Were I capable of doing so, it would have become an exercise in rote learning. It's not torture if it's for SCIENCE!

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-11-07 11:35:33 UTC
Of all the things that could or should concern you about the Intergalactic Summit, you chose this?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#18 - 2014-11-07 12:37:17 UTC
I don't know. I rather applaud the OP for this thread.

Highest of quality.

Katrina Oniseki

Anslo
Scope Works
#19 - 2014-11-07 13:02:03 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Of all the things that could or should concern you about the Intergalactic Summit, you chose this?

This ******* guy.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-11-07 13:28:44 UTC
Anslo wrote:
This ******* guy.

I know. I know. Autographs available on request.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

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