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A discussion on Isboxing and the consequences of linear gameplay.

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TheMercenaryKing
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Pandemic Legion
#41 - 2014-11-06 18:01:31 UTC
You hate ISBoxers? You go mine for 70% of Eve.
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-11-06 19:19:56 UTC
Mining is already **** poor income, being able to do it while watching Netflix is really the only + I see to it, and I don't think this would fix things enough to revitalize mineral prices.

Look, ISBoxing is just a bad idea from the start. There is not a player behind the keyboard for every account, there is a player behind the keyboard for one account and a program behind the keyboard for the rest. Multiboxing is perfectly fine but it should only be allowed to the extent that the player is willing to work for it. More ice = more clicks = more attention, simple as that.

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You hate ISBoxers? You go mine for 70% of Eve.


Get rid of ISBoxers and perhaps I'll do so. If, as you suppose, 70% of EVE's mineral supply is suddenly gone then mineral prices rise and mining is a profitable profession again.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2014-11-07 02:40:25 UTC
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You hate ISBoxers? You go mine for 70% of Eve.


So.. you mean miners become MORE in demand? Like they can sell their ore for better profits and possibly rival miish runners because the alt farms which depricieat the value of each individual real miner in Eve would no longer be trading massively with small margins undercutting the people who mine with only one character? I can see how that would totally be a "sky is falling" scenario.

/sarcasm.

Your types have to realize this is the age old debate of automation making prices cheaper and affecting the indiivdual laborer's ability to sell. We buy handmade goods in the real world for much more because it has a cost. Automation allows massive companies to trade for much smaller margins, cutting off the little guy and still making huge profits. And you can't see that this situation is analogous to isboxer and other scripting programs that AUTOMATE functions for a single player on multiple accounts?

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-11-07 03:12:06 UTC

Everyone Eve is a carebear who's forced the game into the state it's in. Why do we get told by older players to jump corp when wardec? To avoid consequences. Why do we get told to play alts if a wardec comes? To avoid consequences. Why did players use the access to playing RL money for more alts to scout for their haulers carrying massive ISK loads through ganker/pirate space? To avoid consequences. Why do people use alt farms to build their own stuff? To avoid consequences of a marketplace, namely spreading their ISK around to other players. Get an alt and create your own stuff and keep all the ISK on your main. Why do people use alts? So they don't have to rely on others in an MMO. To avoid consequences. Why do suicide gankers build more accounts with alts? Because its against CCP rules to simply biomass alts you tank your sec status with, again, to avoid consequences of doing it with their main, and to avoid ban consequences of trying to recycle biomassable alts to achieve their goal. And they can pay for these extra accounts by farming ISK in null on their 25 mil SP main for PLEX. Again, they're avoiding consequences of their gameplay choices.

Does any of this sound like the much touted harsh world of Eve to you? It sounds like carebear land to me

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2014-11-07 03:14:12 UTC

In the perfect world, people would only play one character. People wouldn't need to diversify. Its tedious, so you're going to throw MORE money at the tedium to relieve it? Maybe its not the right job for you in Eve. Everyone in Eve is a carebear. Alts are the problem and always have been. In the perfect world, we wouldn't have the constant casualization of eve where devs throw out stuff the old devs did, like the cloning or training limitations going away. Those were in as part of the game world that made eve Eve. By throwing those out, the new devs are trying to appeal to the casual ADD kid for instant gratification because the MBA advising them is telling them that'll increase subs. If this was a single player game, everyone would be unable to whine and just shut up and accept it as it was designed. Everyone's in the fallacious mindset that it's the destination and not the journey that matters. Then don't play games, particularly such expansive and immersive alternate reality games like Eve (or rather what old Eve was).

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2014-11-07 03:16:14 UTC
What the hell is going on with the forums that I cant edit posts or it says connection reset if I try?

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#47 - 2014-11-07 03:38:49 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
What the hell is going on with the forums that I cant edit posts or it says connection reset if I try?


A double sided sword.

I stumbled upon this by editing my posts to correct some typos that happen in a hurry. You can edit your post once but then you have to wait for a minute for posting again.

My first guess would be to stop spam-bots.


Now by reading this I came up with an idea to make mining more active.

Give mining barges and exhumers another medium slot and add 150 more powergrid and 50 cpu, so they can all fit an mwd. Now make asteroids move more quickly.

These new moving asteroids must be tackled like any ship you would want to shoot at and be pinned down. Once tackled, an asteroid now moves slower and can be mined but be aware that you don't get hit by another moving asteroid, which would in turn "hit" your ship by a formular that is derived from the asteroid size.

A smaller asteroid would do less damage than a bigger asteroid.

Now that you have new active element to be aware of, you may want to have logi in your gang. And just like in ship vs ship pvp, you would be forced to keep your asteroid from leaving and that your ship will not get destroyed by another asteroid.

There you go, mining is interesting and dangerous at the same time.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2014-11-07 08:27:29 UTC
I like what this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5164188#post5164188

has to say regarding the multiboxing/isboxer.

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What you don't ever see is a non-ISBoxer exclaiming happily "Sweet there is an ISBoxer in my system farming stuff!!" THAT just doesn't happen.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Anthar Thebess
#49 - 2014-11-07 09:21:56 UTC
Eve should get build in multiboxing software that should be pay-$-to-use and at the same time all other way to multibox should be prohibited.

Mining on 40 accounts - why not, people love to do some stuff , this don't bring much harm to any one.
Ratting on 4 ships - the same , more isk is flowing in , but thats ok.
PVP on 10 isboxed ships - sorry this is wrong , as this directly impacts other players.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#50 - 2014-11-08 00:32:49 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Eve should get build in multiboxing software that should be pay-$-to-use and at the same time all other way to multibox should be prohibited.

Mining on 40 accounts - why not, people love to do some stuff , this don't bring much harm to any one.
Ratting on 4 ships - the same , more isk is flowing in , but thats ok.
PVP on 10 isboxed ships - sorry this is wrong , as this directly impacts other players.


Ohoh! Dear Anthar,
I have to apologize to you by leading with a bad example and my common sarcastic comments and edgy opinions.

On the matter of,
-Mining on 40 accounts:

Not shocking and not news anymore, yet it leaves a bitter taste. No, I cannot say it has something to do with envy of your credit card balance.

- Ratting on 4 ships:

Yeah, injects 4 times the isk that one account would.
But don't the nullsec folks already do that without any human interection now? Look at it this way, playing the game instead of watching it later should be "beneath" them by now..

- PVP with 10 ship at once:

Big smileBig smileBig smile aand as always nerf missiles!

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2014-11-11 09:45:51 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Eve should get build in multiboxing software that should be pay-$-to-use and at the same time all other way to multibox should be prohibited.

Mining on 40 accounts - why not, people love to do some stuff , this don't bring much harm to any one.
Ratting on 4 ships - the same , more isk is flowing in , but thats ok.
PVP on 10 isboxed ships - sorry this is wrong , as this directly impacts other players.


I really wish. I don't understand how it isn't botting when the EULA's terminology clearly covers using such things as multi-commands for a single click.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Ix Method
Doomheim
#52 - 2014-11-11 10:36:04 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
What I more find more worrying then anything is that CCP have had years to sort out the pos code yet here we are in 2014 still talking about it.

Is that really fair? There doesn't seem to be a great deal of crossover between what happened 2009-11 and what's going on now.

Travelling at the speed of love.
Arla Sarain
#53 - 2014-11-11 13:50:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Of course it's linear.

You end up within 20km of a very specific location thats shown right on the overview for everyone. You board a ship that goes 8km/s permanently, press a button and your target will never escape.

INB4 - "show me on the ship chart where the big bad gatecamp touched you". Look at it critically - CCP needed points of interest throughout systems; how else would you find people (combat probes need 300 CPU - can't fit this on a majority of combat ships), engage with them, cause ship destruction hence fueling the other half of the game. Sure, a noble reason. But the design is poor.

The evidence to that is the common sight of the game being played by a bot.

The End.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2014-12-20 01:57:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
Oh look another terrible minigame.Roll

Multiboxing has gotten out of control because the game doesn't have ship collisions, things shoot though each other, and a lack of diminishing returns when multiple modules activate on a single target.

All of these are terrible things that can be fixed, why they're not is one of the great mysteries of life.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#55 - 2014-12-20 02:52:38 UTC
I like the idea of asteroids moving quickly.

Here's how I'd approach that: mining barges get a module which anchors them to the asteroid, rather than pulling the asteroid to the mining barge.

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