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Breaking News: No more SP loss and clone grades

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-11-06 22:25:35 UTC
Taking bets on which isk sink is going to increase in magnitude now that clone costs are gone.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#22 - 2014-11-06 22:29:30 UTC
Frigate gangs are getting a boost.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2014-11-06 22:31:16 UTC
T2 frigates are by far the best DPS-per-stat of ships in the game already. it's a buff in the right place for explosions.

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Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#24 - 2014-11-06 22:34:04 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Taking bets on which isk sink is going to increase in magnitude now that clone costs are gone.


I'm betting on market costs and station rent.

People who trade in high sec will be funding null sec pvp.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#25 - 2014-11-06 22:41:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Taking bets on which isk sink is going to increase in magnitude now that clone costs are gone.

It is, and will continue to be, the co-payment needed to get items from the LP store. An oldie but goodie from a Dev:

"A freebie, last 24hrs transaction stats for a selection of faucets and sinks -
as you can see, Concord is a very generous organization!



Trade Total

* Market Transaction 5,848,221,406,963

Faucets
* Bounty Prizes 876,039,478,466
* Agent Mission Reward 68,923,141,163
* Agent Mission Time Bonus 63,450,447,585
* Insurance Payouts 111,942,877,603

Sinks
* Sales Tax 6,227,911,218
* Brokers fee 6,733,818,276
* PI Construction Costs 7,575,185,000
* PI Import Tax 290,289,843
* PI Export Tax 3,355,153,925
* Insurance Cost 43,021,823,156
* Clone Activation 20,197,210,000
* Sovereignty Bill 59,332,000,000
* LP Store 135,343,150,000 "

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-11-06 22:53:51 UTC
Could also just remove the baseline insurance every ship gets...

CCP has no sense of humour.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#27 - 2014-11-06 22:54:23 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
...and CCP Despair Clock reached 10:45 PM.

You just think every good change is a desperate attempt to improve subscriptions.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#28 - 2014-11-06 22:56:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Primary This Rifter
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Taking bets on which isk sink is going to increase in magnitude now that clone costs are gone.

Probably none. They've increased several ISK faucets recently (T2/T3 insurance, low end blue loot) and clone costs were an extremely small ISK sink.
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#29 - 2014-11-06 23:07:36 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Taking bets on which isk sink is going to increase in magnitude now that clone costs are gone.

Probably none. They've increased several ISK faucets recently (T2/T3 insurance, low end blue loot) and clone costs were an extremely small ISK sink.


Yeah, I really like the fact that my Blockade Runner can now be insured for a reasonable amount of money.

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Kaidu Kahn
POT Corp
#30 - 2014-11-06 23:19:22 UTC
This and an unlimited skill queue. Wow, just wow. Good job CCP.
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#31 - 2014-11-06 23:24:34 UTC
hey cool, it doesn't matter if you die anymore
Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-11-06 23:31:07 UTC
This will indeed be a great change. I can't wait for this to go live.
Hicksimus
Torgue
#33 - 2014-11-06 23:35:04 UTC
My bittervet side is sad. Back in the day "EvE is hard" meant good luck figuring out all the quirky gameplay mechanics it'll take you years but eventually you will be awesome or playing WoW.

Those days are coming to an end, BUT damn opening the medical tab to update my clone was annoying and it will not be missed!

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Arec Bardwin
#34 - 2014-11-06 23:43:13 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
...and CCP Despair Clock reached 10:45 PM.
I'll start running for the hills when ccp introduces lifetime subscriptions.
Sir Constantin
#35 - 2014-11-06 23:48:14 UTC
Please don't make Eve a no-brainer game!!
Remove the isk you have to pay for upgrade but please keep the SP loss penalty.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-11-06 23:57:25 UTC
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
And people with highskill points immediately rejoiced and jumped into Rifters

let me guess: next reason to not jump to rifter would be implants? Cool

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#37 - 2014-11-07 00:01:08 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Taking bets on which isk sink is going to increase in magnitude now that clone costs are gone.

It is, and will continue to be, the co-payment needed to get items from the LP store. An oldie but goodie from a Dev:

"A freebie, last 24hrs transaction stats for a selection of faucets and sinks -
as you can see, Concord is a very generous organization!



Trade Total

* Market Transaction 5,848,221,406,963

Faucets
* Bounty Prizes 876,039,478,466
* Agent Mission Reward 68,923,141,163
* Agent Mission Time Bonus 63,450,447,585
* Insurance Payouts 111,942,877,603

Sinks
* Sales Tax 6,227,911,218
* Brokers fee 6,733,818,276
* PI Construction Costs 7,575,185,000
* PI Import Tax 290,289,843
* PI Export Tax 3,355,153,925
* Insurance Cost 43,021,823,156
* Clone Activation 20,197,210,000
* Sovereignty Bill 59,332,000,000
* LP Store 135,343,150,000 "

I note Industry costs missing off that sinks list unless I'm blind. Which I suspect is quite weighty also.
Ama Scelesta
#38 - 2014-11-07 00:15:45 UTC
Sir Constantin wrote:
Please don't make Eve a no-brainer game!!
Remove the isk you have to pay for upgrade but please keep the SP loss penalty.

SP penalty was a stupid idea at the beginning of EVE and its failures have only become more apparent with years experience. It doesn't promote good gameplay, makes people avoid nullsec more then needed because of bubbles and needlessly punishes people for losing pods. Needlessly because losing your equipment and implants, while getting a one way trip to the clone bay is already a sufficient punishment for podding. It's also something that doesn't seem to happen all that much in general.

The main reason SP loss seems to exist these days is so people could tell themselves how hardcore EVE is with permanent SP loss, even though it hardly ever happens with podding in the normal course of gameplay. The fact no one opposed to the removal of the loss could come up with sensible arguments in favor of keeping the practice was a clear sign the whole thing was ready for the scrapyard. The mere existence of medical clones is also a clear indication CCP didn't really want people to suffer from it either at any point, since they made full protection from SP loss available to the players from day one. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole mechanic was copied from another game from the start and EVE just inherited the stupid thing out of tradition instead of a consequence of proper game design with specific goals.

Good riddance to the pointless mechanic and yay for fatter wallets and more fun in cheap throwaway ships.

March rabbit wrote:
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
And people with highskill points immediately rejoiced and jumped into Rifters

let me guess: next reason to not jump to rifter would be implants? Cool

Easy to fix. Allow local clone jumps with no cooldown. Allows you to leave your clone with unwanted implants at home whenever you need to go out, but don't want to take advantage/risk them.
Sir Constantin
#39 - 2014-11-07 00:24:55 UTC
All this little things give depth to the game.

If they want more pvp in null, then make so you cant lose your implants. I know a few players that have +4, +5 implants and they don't want to go to null and lose the implants. I know, you can jump-clone but, that's kind of annoying aswell.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#40 - 2014-11-07 01:12:50 UTC
Ama Scelesta wrote:
Easy to fix. Allow local clone jumps with no cooldown. Allows you to leave your clone with unwanted implants at home whenever you need to go out, but don't want to take advantage/risk them.

This needs to happen, I think I remember CCP saying they were open to it.