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Friday Football
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-11-06 18:31:48 UTC
Is it possible to be a "smuggler" in this game?

I saw someone mention something along these lines once.

Also, if it possible, what is considered "illegal" or contraband?

Thanks
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2014-11-06 18:34:12 UTC
Yes.

Contraband items are marked with a skull.

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Serene Repose
#3 - 2014-11-06 18:39:29 UTC
Don't listen to him. He's paranoid.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#4 - 2014-11-06 18:40:56 UTC
Friday Football wrote:
Is it possible to be a "smuggler" in this game?

I saw someone mention something along these lines once.

Also, if it possible, what is considered "illegal" or contraband?

Thanks


It is 'illegal' to move around James 315 space (some people call this Hisec.) without a permit and by not following the CODE.

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Friday Football
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-11-06 18:44:28 UTC
Lol well not sure if I'm being trolled or not.

So assuming the "skull" statement is true. Is it semi-decent way to make ISK being a smuggler? Or is it just something that sounds fun.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-11-06 18:50:05 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Yes it is technically possible.

In highsec some items are considered illegal, most of them are trivial trade goods though and wont have mich use (for instant: Slaves are illegal in Minmatar space).

The only exception to this are boosters. If you can manufacture and find a booster market there can be some profit. But like the "bounty hunter" profession, the smuggler is not kind of a reality profession.


P.s. if you want sane answers, dont ask your questions in GD.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#7 - 2014-11-06 18:51:46 UTC
You'll probably make more money peddling Gallente garbage to Minmatar.

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Friday Football
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-11-06 18:57:24 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Yes it is technically possible.

In highsec some items are considered illegal, most of them are trivial trade goods though and wont have mich use (for instant: Slaves are illegal in Minmatar space).

The only exception to this are boosters. If you can manufacture and find a booster market there can be some profit. But like the "bounty hunter" profession, the smuggler is not kind of a reality profession.


P.s. if you want sane answers, dont ask your questions in GD.


Thanks -

Disappointing to read this but I appreciate the explanation.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#9 - 2014-11-06 19:07:18 UTC
Smuggling as a purely NPC activity is pretty empty. But smuggling booster drugs to PVP pilots where they like to hang out can be lucrative.

You could also smuggle in commonly used PVP modules to a lowsec hub and try to create / corner the market. It could be considered smuggling in the sense that anything moving in lowsec is already a target for the local enforcers / hunters.

However nothing is going to pat you on the back and say "good job to you smuggler, you snuck those illegal goods right past the unsuspecting authorities" and give you a medal or free XP. You've got to devise the goals yourself and make sure the reward is lucrative, and often hope no one at all notices... kinda like real smuggling.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2014-11-06 19:10:04 UTC
J'Poll wrote:

P.s. if you want sane answers, dont ask your questions in GD.

this and no its not worth it, possible yes but certainly not worth it

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-11-06 19:15:28 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
You'll probably make more money peddling Gallente garbage to Minmatar.


They need lots of it so they can build their ships.
Friday Football
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-11-06 19:18:24 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Smuggling as a purely NPC activity is pretty empty. But smuggling booster drugs to PVP pilots where they like to hang out can be lucrative.

You could also smuggle in commonly used PVP modules to a lowsec hub and try to create / corner the market. It could be considered smuggling in the sense that anything moving in lowsec is already a target for the local enforcers / hunters.

However nothing is going to pat you on the back and say "good job to you smuggler, you snuck those illegal goods right past the unsuspecting authorities" and give you a medal or free XP. You've got to devise the goals yourself and make sure the reward is lucrative, and often hope no one at all notices... kinda like real smuggling.


I'm personally not interested in the PVE/NPC elements. I wasn't sure if there was some larger role you could play for the corporations out there.

A better way to ask my question would have been "what are the possible lucrative rewards from smuggling". But it seems that the only real reward would be the boosters, which I'll have to research to see exactly what they are.

And, in my experience, the GD in this game is far friendlier than any other game I've played in recent memory.
Tyrone Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-11-06 19:20:18 UTC
BuckStrider wrote:
Friday Football wrote:
Is it possible to be a "smuggler" in this game?

I saw someone mention something along these lines once.

Also, if it possible, what is considered "illegal" or contraband?

Thanks


It is 'illegal' to move around James 315 space (some people call this Hisec.) without a permit and by not following the CODE.



So now there is a new 'moving about high sec' permit? Is this in addition to the mining permits?

He would not be much of a smuggler if he purchased a permit and did it 'legally'..
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-11-06 19:26:12 UTC
Friday Football wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Smuggling as a purely NPC activity is pretty empty. But smuggling booster drugs to PVP pilots where they like to hang out can be lucrative.

You could also smuggle in commonly used PVP modules to a lowsec hub and try to create / corner the market. It could be considered smuggling in the sense that anything moving in lowsec is already a target for the local enforcers / hunters.

However nothing is going to pat you on the back and say "good job to you smuggler, you snuck those illegal goods right past the unsuspecting authorities" and give you a medal or free XP. You've got to devise the goals yourself and make sure the reward is lucrative, and often hope no one at all notices... kinda like real smuggling.


I'm personally not interested in the PVE/NPC elements. I wasn't sure if there was some larger role you could play for the corporations out there.

A better way to ask my question would have been "what are the possible lucrative rewards from smuggling". But it seems that the only real reward would be the boosters, which I'll have to research to see exactly what they are.

And, in my experience, the GD in this game is far friendlier than any other game I've played in recent memory.



Hmz. Are we talking about the same GD?

Also, you havent met UAEP

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#15 - 2014-11-06 19:26:29 UTC
Friday Football wrote:


I'm personally not interested in the PVE/NPC elements. I wasn't sure if there was some larger role you could play for the corporations out there.

A better way to ask my question would have been "what are the possible lucrative rewards from smuggling". But it seems that the only real reward would be the boosters, which I'll have to research to see exactly what they are.

And, in my experience, the GD in this game is far friendlier than any other game I've played in recent memory.


Most large alliances have logistics wings that "smuggle" ships and fittings and fuel and ammo and anything else out to their home base of operation. None of it is illegal - its just dangerous to travel out there in lowsec and nullsec, even if your blue list owns the space.

It doesn't sound glorious, but there is profit to be made from the lazy folk like me who would much rather pay a 10% markup for the convenience of not having to travel to get what we need.

The boosters thing (some of them) is actually illegal in highsec space, so it is considered smuggling in the classic sense. I'm not terribly familiar with the mechanics of that - I would just travel through lowsec as much as possible with them.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Friday Football
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-11-06 19:42:16 UTC
War Kitten wrote:


Most large alliances have logistics wings that "smuggle" ships and fittings and fuel and ammo and anything else out to their home base of operation. None of it is illegal - its just dangerous to travel out there in lowsec and nullsec, even if your blue list owns the space.

It doesn't sound glorious, but there is profit to be made from the lazy folk like me who would much rather pay a 10% markup for the convenience of not having to travel to get what we need.


Now this sounds interesting.

So there are a decent amount of goods that a "home base" will need to be supplied with?

I had seen a ship blown up on zkillboard that was carrying billions of ISK worth of blueprints. Would this be someone transporting goods around (theoretically) to buy low / sell high on a market?
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#17 - 2014-11-06 19:57:42 UTC
Friday Football wrote:
War Kitten wrote:


Most large alliances have logistics wings that "smuggle" ships and fittings and fuel and ammo and anything else out to their home base of operation. None of it is illegal - its just dangerous to travel out there in lowsec and nullsec, even if your blue list owns the space.

It doesn't sound glorious, but there is profit to be made from the lazy folk like me who would much rather pay a 10% markup for the convenience of not having to travel to get what we need.


Now this sounds interesting.

So there are a decent amount of goods that a "home base" will need to be supplied with?

I had seen a ship blown up on zkillboard that was carrying billions of ISK worth of blueprints. Would this be someone transporting goods around (theoretically) to buy low / sell high on a market?


Oh absolutely.

The alliance I fly with now is just a small to medium sized lowsec pirate alliance, and we live relatively near a major hub, but with many of our pilots being unable to travel safely in hisec (-5 sec status and worse), its handy to have a few guys that bring in consumables like ammo, cap charges, scripts, pos fuel, jump fuel, drones, guns, shield extenders, damage controls, nanofibers, entirely fitted ships, etc etc.

Large coalitions like N3 or CFC or Brave Newfies can go through ships and mods and ammo like you wouldn't believe, and someone has to bring all that stuff out to keep fueling the war effort.

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#18 - 2014-11-07 01:45:16 UTC
Once CCP intended to have it possible, even had a skill for it and made it part of the choice tree in the character creator, When I was a CCM I tried to promote the idea of making a real profession with booster manufacture being made easy in low sec and adding true smuggler skills and ship modules. Then add a bounty hunter mechanic. Would really add to the game
Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-11-07 01:48:26 UTC
BuckStrider wrote:

It is 'illegal' to move around James 315 space (some people call this Hisec.) without a permit and by not following the CODE.


Stop. Go back to C&P and repost with your alt.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-11-07 01:54:49 UTC
If you really want to feel like a "smuggler" try running expensive goods back and forth between Dodi and Jita in an untanked tramp Mammoth.

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