EVE General Discussion

The suggestions took all of about 30 seconds to come up with, and cover more than just going after one of CODE.'s income sources. Every counter ganking effort so far has been ridiculed on their blog because it's been badly executed and normally consists of words, not action.

Anybody that successfully went after people like the shareholders or successfully disrupted their ops would probably get kudos from the gankers for A: having more balls than those that have come before them, and B: actually doing something about them.

That would be https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/sectags/, 56M to go from -10 to -5, 230M to go from -5 to 0.

It's around 75% more expensive to go from -5 to 0 than from -10 to -5. I wouldn't call approx 1/3 of the cost of a PLEX insignificant either, at least not in ISK terms, it's for all intents and purposes the equivalent to 10 days game time.

You stated that's what's happening either recant or deal with it.

I don't have to put words in your mouth you state them yourself and your reasoning is worse than that of a pithed frog.

He actually stated that so he can recant or deal with it and you can move on from your MoA days.

There are a number of ways to avoid being ganked as illustrated numerous times in numerous threads and on numerous forums. There are also active workable ways to get back at the gankers.

There is where you lose credibility as a competent Eve Player. Knowledge is power. You take to whining on the forums while others learn their options, put them into practice and live happiliy in high sec doing missions, market trading, couriering and mining with little to no loses.

If ganking were truly imbalanced, Jita would be empty as goods could not get in out. If ganking were truly imbalanced ice prices in empire would so high that capital travel would grind to halt.

Quite like this post that everyone seems to have dodged.

1. All choke point systems can be avoided.

2. Sit a scout in said "choke point" cloaked 200km off gate and right click add contact for all the bumpers, gankers you see over a two week period.

3. Change overview settings to show said bumpers/gankers as flashing skulls in local.

4. Always scout and use webbing alt.

5. Laugh, as by having applied a relatively small amount of effort you have now reduced your odds of being ganked to almost 0. You have forced those lazy gankers to now apply a level of effort that they will simply will not do.

Every bit of this sentence is a lie.

It's remarkably easy to counter gank. But the kind of people who tend to want to do it aren't real players anyway, so they would not ever succeed.

They also fail in large part thanks to their stubborn self imposed stupidity that leads them to reject any of the countermeasures suggested by the gankers themselves.

To put it simply.

Counter ganking efforts are ridiculed because the people who try them are sorry excuses for gamers who sabotage their own efforts for the sake of feelgood rhetoric.




So, if the consequences of ganking are trivial to you (and it's more than double the number you quoted, last time I did it for an alt of mine), then why is blowing up a few mining barges such a big freaking problem?

If 300mil is pocket change, then a few mil for a Retriever is dryer lint.

I've been reading your posts and I really don't get your "Aren't real players" comments. Can you please tell me how to play Important Internet Spaceship Game please?

I did...found nothing to support your position. If you can't directly back up your sh*tty assertions, then don't assert sh*t.

For reference, this is the sh*t assertion you need to prove:

Show me where Lucas made that exact claim, or crawl back under the bridge.

I'm not sure here if you are talking about countering a gank, or countering ganking in general. What we are talking about is responding to a ganking by serivng up your own punishment. There's nothing you can do. Even countering individual ganks is pretty much impossible. Hell, during burn Jia we were ganking in a 0.9 with war targets on grid trying desperately to stop us, and they ended up giving up.

But no, there's nothing you can do to a ganker that they are going to remotely care about because things like the bounty system and killrights are all a bunch of rubbsih, and are being used on a disposable character.

Well then you overpaid. I tend to believe fuzzysteve calculator and the market prices over your word.

And yes, the cost of a retirever is low, but them mining is challenged in different ways, like having to stare at a rock all day for low income. Don't get me wrong though, mining isn't exactly balanced as it is, it should be more challenging itself as a gameplay choice. Simple fact is you can turn any character into a ganker in days, and you don't have to commit anything to do it. In a game that is supposedly about your actions having consequences they sure have made it easy to get around consequences.