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How to turn off Compass Display?

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Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#21 - 2014-11-05 21:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
Well, that didn't last long did it...

You can't. Besides it's not like it's in the way or distracting.

Now what I would like is a shortcut for the damned D-Scan again...


You can add it back. In the shortcuts menu, I changed the probe scanner to be alt+P, and D-scan to be alt+D.

Yeah I tried that one, I've set it to Shift + D, but I can't get it to work Sad

Ranger 1 wrote:
Actually Tom, the ability to have your bookmarks (among other things) show up in space and be easy to orient on has been asked for repeatedly over the years.

Oh my god, so much this, bookmarks on the screen (providing you don't have thousands) is fantastic, so much less right clicking and so much easier to find and get to them if you're in a hurry combined with the radial menu. I don't always use the radial menu but since bookmarks are accessible on screen, it's so much quicker.

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2014-11-05 21:37:31 UTC
The Compass is brilliant , and together with bookmarks in space makes wormhole scouting just much more convenient. I've even learnt to love the sig overlay like my left nut.

Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#23 - 2014-11-05 21:52:38 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
The Tomonator wrote:
I wonder how many dev hours were spent thinking it up, coding it, testing it ... all for a pointless added feature that no-one was asking for and does squat to most game play ... time and money that could have been spent on stuff that is actually wanted by the playerbase?

(comment applicable to several other UI 'advances' over recent years actually)

anyway ... that's my only bug against it. Now I've turned it off, more or less, I can get back to the game, so the thing itself it not a irritation. Just the wasted effort in it's development.
So. When does your game release? With your level of expertise in how people should spend their time and resources, it should be the ultimate MMO! We can't wait!


So people have to be able to do something themselves before they can offer any criticism on said topic? Great logic there...

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#24 - 2014-11-05 22:25:19 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:

Yeah I tried that one, I've set it to Shift + D, but I can't get it to work Sad


You can't set it to a keybinding that already is assigned to something else. Set probe scanner to alt+P, then set d-scan to alt+D.

I did that yesterday and it does work, but only if you re-assign the probe scanner hotkey first.
Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#25 - 2014-11-05 22:42:51 UTC
I like it and I used it within 5 minutes of release. I had to go afk, I noticed I had a bookmark in system (without having to right click) and moved the camera to the bookmark so I could warp to it and cloak up. I think the issue with the UI in general is that it isn't very customizable, meaning I can't always turn a piece of it on or off and in some cases move it to where I really want it.

Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#26 - 2014-11-06 00:03:22 UTC
Burl en Daire wrote:
I think the issue with the UI in general is that it isn't very customizable,


Precisely the point. This is why I'm calling for customisation. Not spending energy convincing others to conform to the same belief.

A select few have failed to grasp that, however.

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-11-06 04:29:50 UTC
You can't have customization in everything. Otherwise the UI becomes even more complex to understand than it already is. If you turn off all the markers the new UI change is hardly noticeable and you probably won't recognize it in a couple weeks.
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#28 - 2014-11-06 06:33:06 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
You can't have customization in everything. Otherwise the UI becomes even more complex to understand than it already is. If you turn off all the markers the new UI change is hardly noticeable and you probably won't recognize it in a couple weeks.


True, but not in this case. We can already switch off everything except the console. All it is doing is allowing it to be properly customised to how it originally was. It's not 'new' customisation.

Overlapping overlays make sense, even though they make things cluttered. However the 2D compass is unintuitive. For one; it's a 2D compass that applies to multiple planes. And secondly, you still need to physically look to determine the angle once you've got a partial bearing... you might as well be looking up from the compass anyway instead of adding an extra step. The bookmark itself is pointless, why look for the bookmark? Just right click and go. Viewing the direction of the bookmark is not a requirement to activate it.

Now that's being very pedantic? Possibly. But that's why making the feature customisable, allowing the previous working solution to continue, is a nice compromise.

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind
Miromme Echerie
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-11-06 07:04:56 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
Well, that didn't last long did it...

You can't. Besides it's not like it's in the way or distracting.

Now what I would like is a shortcut for the damned D-Scan again...

Alt+D still opens the D-Scan >.>
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#30 - 2014-11-06 08:13:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
There's a button at the bottom right of your screen which gets rid of it: http://i.imgur.com/l4IybQn.jpg

Sorry, couldn't resist. Seriously though, just adapt. It is a bit distracting but adds a LOT when you get used to it. And if you can't deal with this change then I wonder how you are going to cope with what is coming up.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#31 - 2014-11-06 09:24:43 UTC
The Tomonator wrote:
I wonder how many dev hours were spent thinking it up, coding it, testing it ... all for a pointless added feature that no-one was asking for and does squat to most game play ... time and money that could have been spent on stuff that is actually wanted by the playerbase?

(comment applicable to several other UI 'advances' over recent years actually)

anyway ... that's my only bug against it. Now I've turned it off, more or less, I can get back to the game, so the thing itself it not a irritation. Just the wasted effort in it's development.


Oh, God, here we go again, the age old but but the money and time wasted argument. Roll
The Tomonator
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-11-06 09:28:54 UTC
Baneken wrote:
The Tomonator wrote:
I wonder how many dev hours were spent thinking it up, coding it, testing it ... all for a pointless added feature that no-one was asking for and does squat to most game play ... time and money that could have been spent on stuff that is actually wanted by the playerbase?

(comment applicable to several other UI 'advances' over recent years actually)

anyway ... that's my only bug against it. Now I've turned it off, more or less, I can get back to the game, so the thing itself it not a irritation. Just the wasted effort in it's development.


Oh, God, here we go again, the age old but but the money and time wasted argument. Roll



lol, I'm not protesting, ... it's just what's going around my head. The 'what -if' thing. nothing more. Not a hate mail. Cool
Minchurra
Perkone
#33 - 2014-11-06 09:43:27 UTC
It seems odd they went through all the effort to make it so customizable, without including the option to turn it off.
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
#34 - 2014-11-06 10:49:03 UTC
by a simple flip of the Switch©

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CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase - Frostys Virpio
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#35 - 2014-11-06 12:29:46 UTC
Tavin Aikisen wrote:
Jur Tissant wrote:
You can't have customization in everything. Otherwise the UI becomes even more complex to understand than it already is. If you turn off all the markers the new UI change is hardly noticeable and you probably won't recognize it in a couple weeks.


True, but not in this case. We can already switch off everything except the console. All it is doing is allowing it to be properly customised to how it originally was. It's not 'new' customisation.

Overlapping overlays make sense, even though they make things cluttered. However the 2D compass is unintuitive. For one; it's a 2D compass that applies to multiple planes. And secondly, you still need to physically look to determine the angle once you've got a partial bearing... you might as well be looking up from the compass anyway instead of adding an extra step. The bookmark itself is pointless, why look for the bookmark? Just right click and go. Viewing the direction of the bookmark is not a requirement to activate it.

Now that's being very pedantic? Possibly. But that's why making the feature customisable, allowing the previous working solution to continue, is a nice compromise.


You can't think of a single reason to see your bookmarks in space, therefore it is pointless?

It must be warm and cozy in such a well-insulated mind.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#36 - 2014-11-06 12:36:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tavin Aikisen
War Kitten wrote:
Tavin Aikisen wrote:
Jur Tissant wrote:
You can't have customization in everything. Otherwise the UI becomes even more complex to understand than it already is. If you turn off all the markers the new UI change is hardly noticeable and you probably won't recognize it in a couple weeks.


True, but not in this case. We can already switch off everything except the console. All it is doing is allowing it to be properly customised to how it originally was. It's not 'new' customisation.

Overlapping overlays make sense, even though they make things cluttered. However the 2D compass is unintuitive. For one; it's a 2D compass that applies to multiple planes. And secondly, you still need to physically look to determine the angle once you've got a partial bearing... you might as well be looking up from the compass anyway instead of adding an extra step. The bookmark itself is pointless, why look for the bookmark? Just right click and go. Viewing the direction of the bookmark is not a requirement to activate it.

Now that's being very pedantic? Possibly. But that's why making the feature customisable, allowing the previous working solution to continue, is a nice compromise.


You can't think of a single reason to see your bookmarks in space, therefore it is pointless?

It must be warm and cozy in such a well-insulated mind.


Sounds like you're the one with insulated mind if you can't accept people have different preferences. I personally see no reason to use the overview when all the information is already available elsewhere. I don't want to spend time actively looking for it in space when I can just right click and warp. Especially when the compass is completely saturated with colours like a rainbow which tells me nothing.

As I have said, and something you didn't comprehend the first time; if other people disagree that is FINE. They are free to do what they like. So once again, this is about customisation.

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#37 - 2014-11-06 12:56:33 UTC
Tavin Aikisen wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Tavin Aikisen wrote:
Jur Tissant wrote:
You can't have customization in everything. Otherwise the UI becomes even more complex to understand than it already is. If you turn off all the markers the new UI change is hardly noticeable and you probably won't recognize it in a couple weeks.


True, but not in this case. We can already switch off everything except the console. All it is doing is allowing it to be properly customised to how it originally was. It's not 'new' customisation.

Overlapping overlays make sense, even though they make things cluttered. However the 2D compass is unintuitive. For one; it's a 2D compass that applies to multiple planes. And secondly, you still need to physically look to determine the angle once you've got a partial bearing... you might as well be looking up from the compass anyway instead of adding an extra step. The bookmark itself is pointless, why look for the bookmark? Just right click and go. Viewing the direction of the bookmark is not a requirement to activate it.

Now that's being very pedantic? Possibly. But that's why making the feature customisable, allowing the previous working solution to continue, is a nice compromise.


You can't think of a single reason to see your bookmarks in space, therefore it is pointless?

It must be warm and cozy in such a well-insulated mind.


Sounds like you're the one with insulated mind if you can't accept people have different preferences. I personally see no reason to use the overview when all the information is already available elsewhere. I don't want to spend time actively looking for it in space when I can just right click and warp. Especially when the compass is completely saturated with colours like a rainbow which tells me nothing.

As I have said, and something you didn't comprehend the first time; if other people disagree that is FINE. They are free to do what they like. So once again, this is about customisation.



It is customizable. You can turn off bookmarks in space. Here's a video that describes how in the first minute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCBOGQcr4ZE It even shows how to turn off all those colors on the compass that seem to annoy you with information if you keep watching.

Of course everyone has their own preferences - but your argument that since you cannot see any use for a feature it makes it pointless is close-minded and illogical. Perhaps you could learn something if you didn't spend all your time denouncing a feature that several people have asked for for years because it has a great many use cases. But hey, you're allowed to have that preference.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#38 - 2014-11-06 14:05:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tavin Aikisen
War Kitten wrote:


It is customizable. You can turn off bookmarks in space. Here's a video that describes how in the first minute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCBOGQcr4ZE It even shows how to turn off all those colors on the compass that seem to annoy you with information if you keep watching.


Have you read this thread before you posted? Or did you just rush straight to the bottom and click post? Because AGAIN you repeat what is already discussed and again you fail to draw an appropriate contextual perspective.

We've already established this! However it doesn't completely eliminate the rotating compass. It just removes the colours. This was already discussed, the relevant poster acknowledged and the contention was adjusted accordingly.

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Of course everyone has their own preferences - but your argument that since you cannot see any use for a feature it makes it pointless is close-minded and illogical.


I pointed out the flaws and lack of intuition in some aspects and specifically related it to my play style. That's not a preference. If anything I've pointed out that this new system is an unwanted ALTERNATIVE.

Quote:
Perhaps you could learn something if you didn't spend all your time denouncing a feature that several people have asked for for years because it has a great many use cases. But hey, you're allowed to have that preference.


A feature is not justified just because "some people asked for it for years", care to source that by the way? You attempt to turn my preference into a generalised argument, and deem it illogical. But then you pull out a "x people wanting for y years" wild card...

What people have asked for in this thread is the original UI setting, which can be achieved with current customisation save the removal of the compass ring. If they allow that, then the discussion is over. They're not asking for anything new. There is no reason the compass itself cannot be switched off entirely, colours, bearing and all.

So your points are rather redundant. I don't care what you prefer and I don't care to convince others to conform to my beliefs. I just want the compass ring customisable and removable. I don't need your attempts to escalate an apparent urgency where none exists. Thank you.

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#39 - 2014-11-06 14:57:51 UTC
It's useless, distracting and slower than other methods of selecting or locating destinations. Any one who likes this must just like pretty colors and spinning ships. Ultimately though, shouldn't this be in the "features and idea's thread?"

Daemun of Khanid
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#40 - 2014-11-06 15:15:18 UTC
Tavin Aikisen wrote:

Have you read this thread before you posted? Or did you just rush straight to the bottom and click post? Because AGAIN you repeat what is already discussed and again you fail to draw an appropriate contextual perspective.

We've already established this! However it doesn't completely eliminate the rotating compass. It just removes the colours. This was already discussed, the relevant poster acknowledged and the contention was adjusted accordingly.

Yeah, I read all that - I thought maybe you might be missing something since everything except the little caret on the compass can be turned off, and it IS rather pedantic to need the ability to turn that last little bit off as well.

Do you also need to turn off individual stars on the skymap? How about specific brightnesses for the outlines of each UI element? Maybe we could accommodate your need to turn off every other pixel or feature to a fine grain level, but at some point it gets a little silly doesn't it?

Quote:

I pointed out the flaws and lack of intuition in some aspects and specifically related it to my play style. That's not a preference. If anything I've pointed out that this new system is an unwanted ALTERNATIVE.


It doesn't take a great leap of intuition to understand that the compass aligns with the horizontal plane that EVERYONE's view is oriented to. Stop your ship, it will orient itself to the horizontal plane. Turn on the HUD range thingy and the plane is visible. You're picking nits with that one. And still, you could ignore that compass ring if you find extra tools to display orientation information confusing.

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A feature is not justified just because "some people asked for it for years", care to source that by the way? You attempt to turn my preference into a generalised argument, and deem it illogical. But then you pull out a "x people wanting for y years" wild card...

12 pages of support on the announcement of the feature: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=378187

Asking for the feature in 2007 http://eve-search.com/thread/476573-0/page/1#3
Asking for the feature in 2007 http://eve-search.com/thread/550285-0/page/1#1
Asking for the feature in 2008 http://eve-search.com/thread/810922-0/page/1#1
Asking for the feature in 2008 http://eve-search.com/thread/763181-0/page/1#1
Asking for the feature in 2008 http://eve-search.com/thread/751263-0/page/1#1
Asking for the feature in 2009 http://eve-search.com/thread/995240-0/page/2#54
Discussion of the feature in 2011 http://eve-search.com/thread/10857-1/page/2#46
Asking for the feature in 2011 http://eve-search.com/thread/1559282-0/page/1#1

You get the idea? Or do you need me to go through and link more threads?

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I don't care what you prefer and I don't care to convince others to conform to my beliefs. I just want the compass ring customisable and removable. I don't need your attempts to escalate an apparent urgency where none exists. Thank you.


It *IS* customizable - highly customizable - in fact there's more customizability than CCP usually implements in a feature. It just isn't removable.

Tell you what, I'll match your ambivalence and say I don't care that you feel the need to turn off one last little fragment of this feature. I want the compass ring to stay, and I want you to have to look at it every day and be reminded of the fact that there is a limit to the customizability of every last little thing.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
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