Missions & Complexes

Space is harsh but stupid grind is still stupid. You run missions here and you would like to run them there, I run there and would like to run them here. We both acquire tags as rewards or loot or whatever and I can sell you mine, you can sell me yours. Nobody lost anything, nobody gained anything out of thin air, we both are happy with new scenery. Where's harm done?

Nobody forces me to wreck my sec status either but I'm free to do it and just buy myself out via tags+ISK. Why standings should be any different? What's so glorifying in grinding for standings?

There are already plenty of Tags4Standings .

Only issue is they are one off datacentre missions.

I see no need whatsoever to change the current situation as stands are far to easy to get already - however if CCP wanted to make it even easier they just need to make the datacentres cycle every 3 months like the Epic arcs.

Heard it here first boys and girls. EVE is defined by the mindless grind.

Well, nice come back, I give you that. You could improve ratio of logic to idiocy but let's not dwell on details too much.

You are aware that Tags4Sec is sth that currently exists in Eve, right? So me wanting easy or not has very little to do with the fact that easy already is here. And sec status loss is only for attacking players so why shooting wrong kind of NPCs should be more significant than this?

It's a potential balance issue, because if you can make far more ISK running missions that pay our much more on the grounds that the extra reward is balanced by the faction standings hit, but then you can turn around and trivially negate that standings hit, then what you essentially have is even more cherry picking: Smash the absolute hell out of every supplier you can find, say sorry by dumping a bunch of tags off with some agent, and pocket the reward. Anyone who doesn't do that is leaving ISK on the table.

And that doesn't even get at the bigger problem, which is that if standings are so quick and so easy to manipulate, why do we have them at all? Your grind is someone else's investment.

Eve has always been a grind, and I agree with March rabbit that Tags4SecStatus was a bad idea. It killed the whole allure of going -10, and I was well on my of way of getting it to that.

Dersen makes a very valid point that the whole idea of buying back NPC standings would just break missioning. Not only in hisec, but in lowsec and null. Because now people would find it much easier to go out to null to farm LP for the pirate factions. Making those expensive pirate battleships much more cheaper to get, and therefore making a nice dent in the market for those items. Albeit, it would possibly get more people out in the far reaches of space, but more likely it would become a farming ground for those alliances who live in that space who would saturate the market. Grinding NPC standings is the way to regulate that type of behavior.

Schmata, you make it sound like grinding standings is hard, when in fact is is relatively easy to go from 0 standing to +5 standing with an NPC corp. I've been able to do it in the past in about 10 hours of game time. It's not that hard. Now if you ruined your faction standings due to playing the FW game, then that is all on you. Players are warned of the risks of joining FW, and the rewards of doing FW are some of the best in the game. I've been there and done it, and fixed my standings.

By all means, if you want this game to become filled with more carebears screaming for a safer hisec, let's do it.

Oh god, WTF theoretical Tags4Standings has to do with carebears screaming for safer hisec? And yeah, more people moving around and doing stuff in space would be totally wrong. It's completely not what CCP would want.

Call me risk averse, call me entitled - I don't care because you have no idea what I do in Eve just as I have no idea what you do. All I know is that I would like to have a way to buy myself out of standings "inconvenience" because I don't think choices you make in dealings with NPCs should have any kind of significant meaning in Eve. It's ok to have lore and stuff, play around with sleepers, clone soldiers and whatnot RP related is there but at the end of the day they are here just as cannon fodder we slaughter and pray upon. Eve is about what you do to people and consequences of those actions is what really matters.

Still NPC < people